CL inspections

GTrimmer replied on 08/09/2021 17:27

Posted on 08/09/2021 17:27

We booked a CL back in March for a ten day stay. Upon arriving today we were most annoyed to find SIX OTHER UNITS pitched, who clearly were not leaving. We were expected as well, since there was a stake with our name on it where we, THE SEVENTH were expected to set up ! Needless to say, we didn't. 

Are there no checks ,especially in ' honey pot' areas like the South West , especially with the boom in 'staycationing'. 

The owner was most put out on finding that we wouldn't be stopping, claiming that she could have let the spot many times over.  Not without breaking the rules, she couldn't!

eribaMotters replied on 27/09/2021 10:12

Posted on 27/09/2021 10:12

The issue I raised earlier is being looked into by the club.

The subject of 5+ vans I have experienced on several of the sites we have stayed at this year. This has not been a concern to me as some sites appear to be running two businesses, in one case spilt by a large hedge, and it would appear that some leeway is being given/taken whether official or not. If the services can cope and you can continue to enjoy the larger pitches and quieter atmosphere they offer then I'm happy.

Colin

Fisherman replied on 27/09/2021 10:22

Posted on 27/09/2021 10:22

Brue-uncontrolled planning- where did you ever see that. The planning departments and Nat Parks are overflowing with planners.

Tinwheeler replied on 27/09/2021 10:27

Posted on 27/09/2021 09:45 by

Does anybody  really think that the odd cl with 6 vans is going to prompt a Government  dealing with a "train wreck" economy to give the time of day to this issue. Get real its just an excuse  by some to cause problems when they have  felt slighted.

Posted on 27/09/2021 10:27

David, I can’t claim to be a prolific user of CLs but I know others love them and some only belong to CAMC to access CLs.

Whilst the odd 6th van on a site may not hurt anyone in the short term, it is not within the rules we are governed by and has the potential to bring down the CL network by threatening the club's right to issue exemption certificates and thus depriving members of the use of CLs. For that reason I will report transgressors for the good of all. Supporting an agenda of rule flouting is not fair to fellow members.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 27/09/2021 10:30

Posted on 27/09/2021 10:27 by Tinwheeler

David, I can’t claim to be a prolific user of CLs but I know others love them and some only belong to CAMC to access CLs.

Whilst the odd 6th van on a site may not hurt anyone in the short term, it is not within the rules we are governed by and has the potential to bring down the CL network by threatening the club's right to issue exemption certificates and thus depriving members of the use of CLs. For that reason I will report transgressors for the good of all. Supporting an agenda of rule flouting is not fair to fellow members.

Posted on 27/09/2021 10:30

+1, fair & balanced comment👍🏻

Takethedogalong replied on 27/09/2021 11:34

Posted on 27/09/2021 08:23 by

I have used many CLs in the past when they were the ideal place to spend a break with small children and with the added benefit of always  being able to get in somewhere at public holidays when club sites were difficult to to book. Many of them were and probably still are, little more than "pocket money" exercises taken on by people glad to share their property with visitors.

There can be multitude of reasons why one may find more than 5  vans on site most nothing to do with greed as is being inferred here, vans already on site unable to leave for some reason,unexpected arrivals for whom being turned away would be very difficult  and many more that are not obvious to to folk who would be better minding their own business.  I feel for these owners if there is a  cohort of informers out there ready to cause trouble for no better reason than their  own inflated self importance.

Posted on 27/09/2021 11:34

AD, other than your overnight park up to board a ferry, I suspect your knowledge of today’s CL network is actually rather limited. The last twenty years in particular have seen CLs evolve greatly beyond what they were, and certainly out of the realms of “pocket money” set ups. This is somewhat derogatory in terms of the expenditure, effort and superb welcome the majority offer nowadays.

The whole point is that the 5 pitch rule is just that, governed by what current legislation will allow. I for one fully appreciate what efforts are made, would hesitate to do any informing to the Club without knowing all the pertaining facts, but if it’s a CL, it can only legally have 5 occupied outfits overnight at any one time. If it’s a blatant attempt to flout this legislation, without extenuating circumstances, then the Club needs to know. Having been the sixth van on a Site, for reasons beyond our control, for one night only, I didn’t feel it necessary to complain, and would hope that had others known the reason, neither did they. But that was compassion, not exploitation. And we weren’t asked to pay for the extra night.

The Club itself has been known to apply terms outside its ordinary remit, not least giving a safe park up for all those permanent on the roaders caught up in Covid, and I recall those without fuel in the Tanker Driver Strike being able to stay longer than 21 days. Quite how a vehicle without fuel could leave a Site, we didn’t ask at the time, (😂) but common sense prevailed.

replied on 27/09/2021 12:19

Posted on 27/09/2021 11:34 by Takethedogalong

AD, other than your overnight park up to board a ferry, I suspect your knowledge of today’s CL network is actually rather limited. The last twenty years in particular have seen CLs evolve greatly beyond what they were, and certainly out of the realms of “pocket money” set ups. This is somewhat derogatory in terms of the expenditure, effort and superb welcome the majority offer nowadays.

The whole point is that the 5 pitch rule is just that, governed by what current legislation will allow. I for one fully appreciate what efforts are made, would hesitate to do any informing to the Club without knowing all the pertaining facts, but if it’s a CL, it can only legally have 5 occupied outfits overnight at any one time. If it’s a blatant attempt to flout this legislation, without extenuating circumstances, then the Club needs to know. Having been the sixth van on a Site, for reasons beyond our control, for one night only, I didn’t feel it necessary to complain, and would hope that had others known the reason, neither did they. But that was compassion, not exploitation. And we weren’t asked to pay for the extra night.

The Club itself has been known to apply terms outside its ordinary remit, not least giving a safe park up for all those permanent on the roaders caught up in Covid, and I recall those without fuel in the Tanker Driver Strike being able to stay longer than 21 days. Quite how a vehicle without fuel could leave a Site, we didn’t ask at the time, (😂) but common sense prevailed.

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Tinwheeler replied on 27/09/2021 12:41

Posted on 27/09/2021 12:19 by

I said many were probably "pocket money" exercises  and if the enthusiasts for off grid £5 a night  are to be believed they are still are. It was not a derogatory  term at all and the ones I used then and the most basic now are certainly not in it for the money. However as for those who have made considerable investments   creating mini sites if some here are  here are happy to trash their efforts it says more about them than the owner trying to run a cl with a bit of flexibility.

I have always  had a severe distaste  for tale tellers going back to the school playground and nothing I have seen since has altered that view.

Posted on 27/09/2021 12:41

There’s a vast difference between tale tellers and standing up for right for the good of all. It’s not only a moral issue but one of legality. In a similar way, shoplifting is wrong both legally and morally as it reflects in price increases and ultimately affects us all. I’m a firm believer in fairness and morality.

Fisherman replied on 27/09/2021 12:44

Posted on 27/09/2021 12:44

The reality is. The club has little interest in Cl's as they to some extent take business from the core sites. Likewise  if Cl;s get bigger and with more facilities it makes the clubs position worse. On the other side the 5 van restriction curtails investment and the only way is either allow more vans in the knowledge no one will really bother or leave the network. After all few cLs outside the main holiday see any vans.  unless they have made the investment in Hard standings, EHU etc.  and then move to a commercial basis. Todays  modern vans needs these almost as basics. Unless some action is taken the numbers will diminish or we will see more excesses of numbers at peak times.

brue replied on 27/09/2021 13:36

Posted on 27/09/2021 12:19 by

I said many were probably "pocket money" exercises  and if the enthusiasts for off grid £5 a night  are to be believed they are still are. It was not a derogatory  term at all and the ones I used then and the most basic now are certainly not in it for the money. However as for those who have made considerable investments   creating mini sites if some here are  here are happy to trash their efforts it says more about them than the owner trying to run a cl with a bit of flexibility.

I have always  had a severe distaste  for tale tellers going back to the school playground and nothing I have seen since has altered that view.

Posted on 27/09/2021 13:36

We stayed on a basic £5 site recently (£7 if the club web site has been updated) however it wasn't a pocket money site, it was part of a farm business run by a local family, they ran a campsite too. We can cope very well on these sites without a mass of facilities. We've also stayed on fully serviced CLs this year, extremely well equipped but not excessively priced. What we like is choice and some semblance of what to expect from the site information. This includes five vans not six or seven or more (this can lead to overcrowding and possibly invalid public liability insurance.)

Ref your school experience. It's a long time since I was at school but if someone piped up about something that was affecting everyone's enjoyment of school I would admire their courage. So maybe you could refrain from name calling and reflect on events that have affected your enjoyment of sites, we've heard you complain about them so to be fair to others you could let them have their voice too?smile

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