Interesting Petition Part 2

MichaelT replied on 14/08/2018 09:59

Posted on 14/08/2018 09:59

Due to the premature closure of the original thread I am opening a new one.  I received the following email form 38 degrees/Mark Bevan today and I think the response form C&MC is broadly in line with our comment on here so perhaps someone from HQ does read these threads after all smile  Mark has even added the link to the closed thread so perhaps he also did read it but declined to comment, pity it was closed also!! 

 
Dear supporters,

Monday 13 August update, the petition hit 2.5k signatures, thank you. I received an email from the C&MC last Thursday, who are aware of the petition. The email from the clubs  Public Affairs & Corporate Communications Manager contained an interesting paragraph that I would like to share with you:

"There is arguably scope and demand for another level of stopover, along the lines of a French Aire. However, the establishment of these would have a cost, and there would be planning approval challenges and UK safety requirements (minimum fire safety separation distances for instance) to overcome. It’s worth debating whether the provision of such facilities should be the responsibility of an organisation like the Club, or whether local authorities should provide them (as is the case in some other countries – France and Australia, for instance). There are already some examples of this in the UK, although some of them operate without compliance with the safety separation distances that those same local authorities would insist on if site operators like the Club were to set them up."

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Randomcamper replied on 15/08/2018 16:48

Posted on 15/08/2018 16:30 by

 I suspect that it is still a niche market for UK despite the number of MH owners. If the sufficient demand is there and it was thought profitable there must be a reason that private sites are not providing

Posted on 15/08/2018 16:48

I personally would think that if you own a bit of land within walking distance of somewhere nice or something interesting you can find something more profitable to do with it than let a handful of M/H's park on it, given that the going rate for Aires seems to be around £8 to £10....? (correct me if I'm wrong, it's not something we are likely to ever use), so the returns are not likely to attract the private sector......

However, for an LA already owning a P & R or inner city/ in-town car park and wanting a bit of extra revenue by letting some M/H's stay the night it possibly makes sense....? I can't think of anything worse myself, but each to their own....

Given the wealth of these M/H owners and their alleged spending power in these towns, I don't know why they don't just stay on a nice site on the periphery and get a taxi (or a Limo...) into town for the day....

wink

 

Cornersteady replied on 15/08/2018 17:21

Posted on 15/08/2018 16:48 by Randomcamper

I personally would think that if you own a bit of land within walking distance of somewhere nice or something interesting you can find something more profitable to do with it than let a handful of M/H's park on it, given that the going rate for Aires seems to be around £8 to £10....? (correct me if I'm wrong, it's not something we are likely to ever use), so the returns are not likely to attract the private sector......

However, for an LA already owning a P & R or inner city/ in-town car park and wanting a bit of extra revenue by letting some M/H's stay the night it possibly makes sense....? I can't think of anything worse myself, but each to their own....

Given the wealth of these M/H owners and their alleged spending power in these towns, I don't know why they don't just stay on a nice site on the periphery and get a taxi (or a Limo...) into town for the day....

wink

 

Posted on 15/08/2018 17:21

big +1 there, I guess the more you have the less you want to spend?wink

Cornersteady replied on 15/08/2018 17:40

Posted on 15/08/2018 17:40

Vehicles exceeding 7.5 tonnes, trailers and touring caravans are not permitted to park with in the site

I'm being discriminated against ! why is the club not lobbying for my interests? Where's my petition? I demand free/lower stays as well paid for by everyone else!!

I suppose I should add that my statement above is meant in jest?

peedee replied on 15/08/2018 18:11

Posted on 15/08/2018 16:33 by Cornersteady

the current number of MH is estimated at 250,000 while the same estimate for caravans is 550,000. Last year there were almost 24000 new caravans while just only 14000 new MH.

However MH went up by 17% over the previous year while caravans only went up by 9%.

So still a niche market for both but more so for MH?

 

PS. At the end of March 2018 there were 37.9 million cars in the UK. so MH make up around 0.6%

Posted on 15/08/2018 18:11

250,000 registered motor homes is 45 percent of touring vans, hardly a niche.. I see from Britstops website they added 200 more stops this year. Nearly a 30  percent increase over 2017 offering. Some obviously see it worthwhile to join the system.

peedee

moulesy replied on 15/08/2018 19:01

Posted on 15/08/2018 18:11 by peedee

250,000 registered motor homes is 45 percent of touring vans, hardly a niche.. I see from Britstops website they added 200 more stops this year. Nearly a 30  percent increase over 2017 offering. Some obviously see it worthwhile to join the system.

peedee

Posted on 15/08/2018 19:01

Maybe Mark Bevan would have been better urging Britstops to do even more then? If they already have the knowledge/skills/ willingness to provide this sort of provision it would surely have been easier to persuade them than an organisation which, as others have said, is primarily focused on providing "traditional" sites. undecided

Takethedogalong replied on 15/08/2018 19:09

Posted on 15/08/2018 19:09

We are on a lovely CL tonight, about 2 miles from a very nice market town, a fairly easy walk through NT woodlands along River Swale. Interestingly, we passed a small car park that had half a dozen MHs and campers all parked up, 400 metres from town centre. They all seemed happy enough, no doubt cheap. But no views, no space between units, and it was dark and shady. Not our choice. 

Another aspect of town/ city based Aire type sites for us would be the possibility of vandalism and disruptive behaviour. Not having stayed on an Aire abroad, I have no experience of them on Continent, but let's face it, even some of the nicest towns and villages on this island have a problem with undesirables, those who don't like to see expensive vehicles and outfits, or carry out unsocial behaviour in the twilight hours.  Not sure how secure or comfortable I would feel at times nowadays. 

Morris Traveller replied on 15/08/2018 19:22

Posted on 15/08/2018 19:01 by moulesy

Maybe Mark Bevan would have been better urging Britstops to do even more then? If they already have the knowledge/skills/ willingness to provide this sort of provision it would surely have been easier to persuade them than an organisation which, as others have said, is primarily focused on providing "traditional" sites. undecided

Posted on 15/08/2018 19:22

Britstops is based on France Passion. That scheme is not like the network of Aires. Both sit happily side by side in France but have little in common. As Britstops is run by one couple, I doubt that they have the time to spare from running their own organisation to lobby for an entirely different scheme.

Cornersteady replied on 15/08/2018 19:26

Posted on 15/08/2018 18:11 by peedee

250,000 registered motor homes is 45 percent of touring vans, hardly a niche.. I see from Britstops website they added 200 more stops this year. Nearly a 30  percent increase over 2017 offering. Some obviously see it worthwhile to join the system.

peedee

Posted on 15/08/2018 19:26

45% of something small is still something small. It's a niche considering the total number of road vehicles who use and park in Britain's roads

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