Interesting Petition Part 2

MichaelT replied on 14/08/2018 09:59

Posted on 14/08/2018 09:59

Due to the premature closure of the original thread I am opening a new one.  I received the following email form 38 degrees/Mark Bevan today and I think the response form C&MC is broadly in line with our comment on here so perhaps someone from HQ does read these threads after all smile  Mark has even added the link to the closed thread so perhaps he also did read it but declined to comment, pity it was closed also!! 

 
Dear supporters,

Monday 13 August update, the petition hit 2.5k signatures, thank you. I received an email from the C&MC last Thursday, who are aware of the petition. The email from the clubs  Public Affairs & Corporate Communications Manager contained an interesting paragraph that I would like to share with you:

"There is arguably scope and demand for another level of stopover, along the lines of a French Aire. However, the establishment of these would have a cost, and there would be planning approval challenges and UK safety requirements (minimum fire safety separation distances for instance) to overcome. It’s worth debating whether the provision of such facilities should be the responsibility of an organisation like the Club, or whether local authorities should provide them (as is the case in some other countries – France and Australia, for instance). There are already some examples of this in the UK, although some of them operate without compliance with the safety separation distances that those same local authorities would insist on if site operators like the Club were to set them up."

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https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/parking-for-motorhomes-similar-to-the-french-style-of-aire-de-camping-car 

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Mark

p.s. You might also like to know, that a link to the petition has been posted and a discussion is taking place about it on the C&MC online forum. Not everyone agrees with the petition, and you may find it interesting to read some different views, or even contribute to the discussion. Here is the link https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-together/discussions/sites-touring/uk-sites-touring/interesting-petition/?p=1


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peedee replied on 16/08/2018 10:24

Posted on 16/08/2018 10:24

More attractive how? flower beds around the pitch? Your own personal warden?

Paying £20/25 per night for a short stay is not something many owners are keen on. Especially if they use the pitch less than 24 hrs a day.

peedee

 

JayEss replied on 16/08/2018 10:24

Posted on 16/08/2018 10:24

I would be happy to use Aires but with a caravan it's unlikely I'll be able to. I'm not changing to a MH though laughing

I mentioned on the last thread the likely revenue per annum per car parking space. Car parks in popular areas are likely to generate higher revenue than the standard all day parking charges. The pricing structure is designed to achieve more than one all day charge each day. In fact many 'desirable' car parks may have a maximum stay of two or four hours, potentially allowing for multiple maximum charges on the same space. Any reduction in spaces on high income car parks would be resisted unless the income could be replaced somehow. 

There may be scope in some car parks to create suitable spaces in unused areas but in many there won't. The most likely 'targets' for Aires will be park and rides but they don't always have evening bus services. 

Cornersteady replied on 16/08/2018 10:31

Posted on 16/08/2018 10:24 by peedee

More attractive how? flower beds around the pitch? Your own personal warden?

Paying £20/25 per night for a short stay is not something many owners are keen on. Especially if they use the pitch less than 24 hrs a day.

peedee

 

Posted on 16/08/2018 10:31

So you mean attractive financially? So you are saying you want all the plus points of using a club site, but want it a reduced rate just because you are using it for a shorter period of time?

Well I have arrived on a club site after 6pm and left before 12 and I certainly wouldn't expect a reduction in the fees. You seem to expect it just because you have a motorhome?  

The club prices are quite clear (you even get them when you book) if you or one do not like them then find somewhere cheaper?

young thomas replied on 16/08/2018 10:46

Posted on 16/08/2018 10:23 by Cornersteady
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Posted on 16/08/2018 10:46

my last word was to Nellie on explaining what he couldn't understand.

I've describe several times how I manage my stop overs (over here), but it doesn't stop me supporting any attempt to raise awareness of the lack of 'aire' type provision in this country.

ive also said the petition was probably sent to the wrong organisation, but again, it's at least got the club admitting there is room for improvement in this area and things could be done. I also agree that LAs are probably the way to go.

the thread was raised in this section, has been allowed to run in this section yet you think that comparing the provision abroad has no relevance?

I realise that you don't want to stay on an aire, that's your choice and that of many folk who just use sites.....they want more than Aires can provide.

this is the difference between what (little) is required for a safe, cheap, stopping place and a full fat camp site, hence why charging rates are different for these two things.

i realise it doesn't appeal to you, but some folk are more than happy with just a parking space.

while the petition isnt the best, please respect Graham's awareness OP and the desire of some to make use of an 'Aires type' provision.

Moderator Edit: 

Last sentence Deleted User to follow on from Rowena's request to keep the thread polite and friendly.

mhparking replied on 16/08/2018 11:01

Posted on 16/08/2018 08:51 by Oneputt

MHP - Glad your taking heart from Ro's post. I read it as a typically political response so wouldn't hold my breath too long.

Posted on 16/08/2018 11:01

The CAMC is hardly going to announce a definite policy in a reply on a thread such as this is it?

The fact remains, though, that the response does indicate that the petition has been given consideration.

I like to think that the people we members elect to run the CAMC on our behalf are receptive to recognising when a changing world demands forward thinking, rather than dismissing an idea out of hand just because it does not fit with what has worked in the past.

DavidKlyne replied on 16/08/2018 11:21

Posted on 16/08/2018 11:01 by mhparking

The CAMC is hardly going to announce a definite policy in a reply on a thread such as this is it?

The fact remains, though, that the response does indicate that the petition has been given consideration.

I like to think that the people we members elect to run the CAMC on our behalf are receptive to recognising when a changing world demands forward thinking, rather than dismissing an idea out of hand just because it does not fit with what has worked in the past.

Posted on 16/08/2018 11:21

Graham

I thought the reply from the Club was quite telling. They articulated the reasons why it would be difficult for them to introduce such facilities on their sites and any forward investment must take account of facilities for all members and all outfits which is fair enough. However the fact they did not dismiss or discourage the introduction of such facilities requested in the petition I think indicates a greater realisation that one size does not fit all so to speak. 

David

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