Interesting Petition Part 2

MichaelT replied on 14/08/2018 09:59

Posted on 14/08/2018 09:59

Due to the premature closure of the original thread I am opening a new one.  I received the following email form 38 degrees/Mark Bevan today and I think the response form C&MC is broadly in line with our comment on here so perhaps someone from HQ does read these threads after all smile  Mark has even added the link to the closed thread so perhaps he also did read it but declined to comment, pity it was closed also!! 

 
Dear supporters,

Monday 13 August update, the petition hit 2.5k signatures, thank you. I received an email from the C&MC last Thursday, who are aware of the petition. The email from the clubs  Public Affairs & Corporate Communications Manager contained an interesting paragraph that I would like to share with you:

"There is arguably scope and demand for another level of stopover, along the lines of a French Aire. However, the establishment of these would have a cost, and there would be planning approval challenges and UK safety requirements (minimum fire safety separation distances for instance) to overcome. It’s worth debating whether the provision of such facilities should be the responsibility of an organisation like the Club, or whether local authorities should provide them (as is the case in some other countries – France and Australia, for instance). There are already some examples of this in the UK, although some of them operate without compliance with the safety separation distances that those same local authorities would insist on if site operators like the Club were to set them up."

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MichaelT replied on 14/08/2018 14:02

Posted on 14/08/2018 13:51 by Cornersteady

but why would the club lobby to lose money? 

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:02

To look after the interests of its members and it would not necessarily lose money as it would presumably free up some spaces at current sites so giving more options for you caravanners.....undecided

MichaelT replied on 14/08/2018 14:04

Posted on 14/08/2018 13:51 by huskydog

If people want a cheap stopover why not use what is already in place in Pub stopovers , the price of a meal for staying the night 

why use public money on the few ???

or have I misunderstood the whole thing??

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:04

When the club lobbied against the MOT for caravans was that not the same husky?

MichaelT replied on 14/08/2018 14:07

Posted on 14/08/2018 13:50 by Cornersteady

I wonder how many of those signatures would still be there if they had to pledge some money to enable these stopoves to happen for them? I mean they want them let them pay? Lets say £250 per name?

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:07

typical misunderstanding of the issue, what has paying some cash got to do with it?  The club is here for its members and should promote all kinds of stop overs not just full blown sites for caravanners

Oneputt replied on 14/08/2018 14:12

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:12

The club has said on a number of occasions that they are not into lobbying.  In fact the only occasion they have lobbied, as far as I know,  is to get the caravan MOT proposal scrapped.

 

Randomcamper replied on 14/08/2018 14:14

Posted on 14/08/2018 13:50 by Cornersteady

I wonder how many of those signatures would still be there if they had to pledge some money to enable these stopoves to happen for them? I mean they want them let them pay? Lets say £250 per name?

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:14

I think the fact that there are 3000 signatures just shows that there are a lot of rich motorhome owners totally out of touch with how underfunded the public services, teaching, mental health, NHS, Police, Ambulance, social housing, defence etc are.

Any provision for M/H owners will have to come from the private sector.

But given that the aim seems to be to provide somewhere low cost for M/H owners to stop near a POI then it's hard to see how the capital cost of buying up tracts of land and converting them to Aires is going to be funded. I doubt there is a business case for C&CC or CC, who have 50% non M/H owning members...?

I would have thought that the best that anyone could hope for short of using existing sites is to try & encourage LA's to make provision for M/H stopovers in existing car parks & Park & Rides.  How that will be reconciled with preventing traveller invasions I'm not sure, but it seems to work at some places (eg Chester Roodee?). A tap, some bins and a CWP seem to be all that is needed.

Tinwheeler replied on 14/08/2018 14:16

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:07 by MichaelT

typical misunderstanding of the issue, what has paying some cash got to do with it?  The club is here for its members and should promote all kinds of stop overs not just full blown sites for caravanners

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:16

Quite right, MT, but they should treat all members equally and promote 'sites' for the whole of the membership. However, lobbying is one thing while providing is quite another and it is inappropriate, in my view, to use club funds to set up aires for just a section of the membership. 

We've said all this in the other thread……

Cornersteady replied on 14/08/2018 14:29

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:02 by MichaelT

To look after the interests of its members and it would not necessarily lose money as it would presumably free up some spaces at current sites so giving more options for you caravanners.....undecided

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:29

but you are completely wrong that this petition is in the interest of the club's members, so far if all the signatures are club members that only accounts for about 0.3/0.6% of members, unless you can show otherwise. If people don't stay on club sites the club loses money.

Why should the club back something with such a low percentage number?

Tinwheeler replied on 14/08/2018 14:39

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:02 by MichaelT

To look after the interests of its members and it would not necessarily lose money as it would presumably free up some spaces at current sites so giving more options for you caravanners.....undecided

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:39

"You caravanners"? That’s very telling, MT.

It could be that caravanners would like to use aires as much as you want to and many of us MH-ers are very happy to use club sites.

All for one and one for all. Please don’t try to create a divide where one doesn't exist. 

 

Cornersteady replied on 14/08/2018 14:39

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:07 by MichaelT

typical misunderstanding of the issue, what has paying some cash got to do with it?  The club is here for its members and should promote all kinds of stop overs not just full blown sites for caravanners

Posted on 14/08/2018 14:39

not really, those new stop overs will cost money, where will that money come from? Why should the non LV public pay for our hobby? 

isn't club membership at 50% or each outfit type now? doesn't that show that the club provides full blown sites for either outfit that wants to stay?

No the club should not promote all kinds of stop overs? why should it? That is like saying a B&B club/group should promote larger more expensive hotels? The club is a hotel where you bring your own room, simple. By joining the club you can access these rooms at a lower rate and have access to other services.

It offers 'full blown sites' as you say. If you or one doesn't want this sort of stay then don't use it, so so simple. But don't expect the club or Joe Public to fund your type of stay over, why should it?

 

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