Covid Vaccine - Temporarily locked

Whittakerr replied on 09/11/2020 12:10

Posted on 09/11/2020 12:10

Some good news. It seems one of the trial vaccines offers 90% protection against the virus. The developers have applied for an emergency approval to use the vaccine by the end of the month. UK has an order in place for 30m doses.

LLM replied on 19/01/2021 20:09

Posted on 19/01/2021 19:52 by Tammygirl

Lets not forget the Armed Forces, they have helped out throughout the pandemic.

The majority of them having to be away from their families at a time when they are needed at home.

Working long hours doing covid testing, without all the PPE just a face mask and plastic apron.

Now they are setting up vaccination centres all around the UK

Some are now deployed into hospitals helping the NHS with the unprecedented numbers of people needing hospital care.

Will they get a Covid jab?

Lets also not forget that on Christmas Eve many soldiers were deployed to Dover to run the testing of truck drivers who were stuck at the port.

These soldiers did not spend Christmas day with their families they worked long hours, they did not complain that they couldn't travel the length and breadth of the country to see their loved ones, they just did as they were asked and got on with the job, as they always have done and always will do. 

So if we are to make a list of people that SHOULD be getting a vaccination then my vote is for the Armed Forces who are helping out.

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:09

Once the current priority list has been completed I'm sure others will be given the vaccine.  I am also certain that the priority will be based upon the best use of available vaccine.  There is no point giving it to a group that is at very low risk of serious illness or death whilst others are at greater risk.  In due course the whole nation 18 years and above, will get it but it will take time.  Then a new annual programme may have to started if not before.  

moulesy replied on 19/01/2021 20:11

Posted on 19/01/2021 19:55 by LLM

Now that is you changing you tune.  I have consistently said that we should stick to the priorities set by the Government and still say that no self-interest group should be allowed to jump the queue.  If you go back to page three I even post a link to the then applicable document / list.  

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:11

With respect,  I suggest you re-read (or maybe read first the first time) my original post today - it's the second post on page 88 to save you time searching.

Then you diverted the discussion with -

"At present every public servant in a lower tier group that has an inoculation ahead of the queue will be depriving a person in more need of that treatment."

a statement you still haven't justified, by the way. 

But, hey, we appear to agree with what is actually happening "at present" as opposed to speculation on what might not be going right.

The question remains,  though, how should priorities be ordered once vaccination of the 50+ age groups have been completed?

Bakers2 replied on 19/01/2021 20:14

Posted on 19/01/2021 19:52 by Tammygirl

Lets not forget the Armed Forces, they have helped out throughout the pandemic.

The majority of them having to be away from their families at a time when they are needed at home.

Working long hours doing covid testing, without all the PPE just a face mask and plastic apron.

Now they are setting up vaccination centres all around the UK

Some are now deployed into hospitals helping the NHS with the unprecedented numbers of people needing hospital care.

Will they get a Covid jab?

Lets also not forget that on Christmas Eve many soldiers were deployed to Dover to run the testing of truck drivers who were stuck at the port.

These soldiers did not spend Christmas day with their families they worked long hours, they did not complain that they couldn't travel the length and breadth of the country to see their loved ones, they just did as they were asked and got on with the job, as they always have done and always will do. 

So if we are to make a list of people that SHOULD be getting a vaccination then my vote is for the Armed Forces who are helping out.

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:14

Yes I forgot to include them. I said to OH quite early on, that from the amount they were calling the army in for various tasks, I assumed they'd cut each solider in 2. Cos I know like all public funded services they've been parted to the bone!

LLM replied on 19/01/2021 20:31

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:11 by moulesy

With respect,  I suggest you re-read (or maybe read first the first time) my original post today - it's the second post on page 88 to save you time searching.

Then you diverted the discussion with -

"At present every public servant in a lower tier group that has an inoculation ahead of the queue will be depriving a person in more need of that treatment."

a statement you still haven't justified, by the way. 

But, hey, we appear to agree with what is actually happening "at present" as opposed to speculation on what might not be going right.

The question remains,  though, how should priorities be ordered once vaccination of the 50+ age groups have been completed?

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:31

Well I'm pleased you are now agreeing with me the JCVI and the government.  One thing of which you can be certain the JCVI will advise the government to continue targeting the most at risk groups first.  Whether or not the government will cave in to pressure from selfish self-interest groups and do it differently is an unknown.   

moulesy replied on 19/01/2021 20:53

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:53

Why "now agreeing with me"? I have never stated anything different so please don't try to suggest that I've only come to the light through your wisdom! frown

"Whether or not the government will cave in to pressure from selfish self-interest groups and do it differently is an unknown"

Not sure why you would even end with a statement like that, except to provoke some sort of reaction which is rather sad on such an important topic. Why do you suggest the government will act in any way different to the way it has up to now on vaccines? Who are these "selfish self-interest groups" you seem to be suggesting might seek to influence the authorities in some sort of underhand way? Rather paranoid,  surely. undecided

Cornersteady replied on 19/01/2021 20:53

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:09 by LLM

Once the current priority list has been completed I'm sure others will be given the vaccine.  I am also certain that the priority will be based upon the best use of available vaccine.  There is no point giving it to a group that is at very low risk of serious illness or death whilst others are at greater risk.  In due course the whole nation 18 years and above, will get it but it will take time.  Then a new annual programme may have to started if not before.  

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:53

There is certainly a point in protecting those with significant skills and experience that cannot be easily replaced. It takes years to train people like the police, the emergency services, the armed forces and medical personnel and many other key workers or front line staff - call them what you will.

These people are there to protect and help us all in society. We need them to continue that role, to be in good heath and be available as much as possible.

You posted that three of your relatives took three weeks to recover. If fully vaccinated those people I listed above would be away from their essential work for 10 days if they had to self isolate. 

Cornersteady replied on 19/01/2021 21:00

Posted on 19/01/2021 19:52 by Tammygirl

Lets not forget the Armed Forces, they have helped out throughout the pandemic.

The majority of them having to be away from their families at a time when they are needed at home.

Working long hours doing covid testing, without all the PPE just a face mask and plastic apron.

Now they are setting up vaccination centres all around the UK

Some are now deployed into hospitals helping the NHS with the unprecedented numbers of people needing hospital care.

Will they get a Covid jab?

Lets also not forget that on Christmas Eve many soldiers were deployed to Dover to run the testing of truck drivers who were stuck at the port.

These soldiers did not spend Christmas day with their families they worked long hours, they did not complain that they couldn't travel the length and breadth of the country to see their loved ones, they just did as they were asked and got on with the job, as they always have done and always will do. 

So if we are to make a list of people that SHOULD be getting a vaccination then my vote is for the Armed Forces who are helping out.

Posted on 19/01/2021 21:00

+1 TG We often disagree but our respect for the armed services is one thing I do think we have in common.

LLM replied on 19/01/2021 21:02

Posted on 19/01/2021 20:53 by Cornersteady

There is certainly a point in protecting those with significant skills and experience that cannot be easily replaced. It takes years to train people like the police, the emergency services, the armed forces and medical personnel and many other key workers or front line staff - call them what you will.

These people are there to protect and help us all in society. We need them to continue that role, to be in good heath and be available as much as possible.

You posted that three of your relatives took three weeks to recover. If fully vaccinated those people I listed above would be away from their essential work for 10 days if they had to self isolate. 

Posted on 19/01/2021 21:02

Are you suggesting that if the people you mention were vaccinated they would not catch the virus?

You posted that three of your relatives took three weeks to recover.

No I did not.  

Cornersteady replied on 19/01/2021 21:12

Posted on 19/01/2021 21:02 by LLM

Are you suggesting that if the people you mention were vaccinated they would not catch the virus?

You posted that three of your relatives took three weeks to recover.

No I did not.  

Posted on 19/01/2021 21:12

I think you are not reading my posts correctly. I suggested nothing of the sort, they may catch the virus but will not get ill and will only have to self isolate for 10 days and only be away from their essential work for ten days.

No I did not.

You posted on page 90. I did query this with you about it at the time but you did not reply or clarify what you meant:

We have had three examples in our family. Two teens 'felt a bit grotty' and one 60 year old become quite ill but fully recovered, all took over three weeks before they tested negative.

 

Takethedogalong replied on 19/01/2021 21:22

Posted on 19/01/2021 19:24 by LLM

I appreciate that there are old firefighters.  However, can you explain to me how giving them the vaccine will prevent so many having symptoms?

Posted on 19/01/2021 21:22

You will notice I haven’t made any effort to determine which people should or should not have the vaccine, and in which order, simply because I am happy to go with the modelling from the scientists. All I have done is point out the work currently being done by one group of highly trained workers I considered undervalued by another poster, and your possible implication that firefighters are younger and won’t be as badly affected.

You are as in the dark as everyone else about just how an individual will be affected by Covid. Yes there are scientific trends, carefully analysed by scientists and statisticians, percentages and theories cherry picked to illustrate a chosen point by some posters. But no one can with predict with absolute certainty just how another individual will react to catching the Covid virus. 

I will leave you to suggest how society will cope if certain key workers are taken out of the equation. My crystal ball is in the dishwasher tonight, having a polish. I have to predict when lockdown will end tomorrow.......

 

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