E-Scooters: I've seen it all now

JohnM20 replied on 10/12/2021 07:57

Posted on 10/12/2021 07:57

Whilst walking down the busy main corridor at the Royal Derby Hospital yesterday a guy in, I would say, his early twenties, (I'm 99% certain he wasn't staff), came out of the doors of one of the side clinics pushing an E-scooter. Once into the main corridor he promptly jumped on his scooter and proceeded to ride it, weaving through the people walking along the corridor. The corridor is not particularly wide and people are walking in both directions. Any one of them could have been hit by this idiot.

He had obviously ridden his scooter illegally to get to the hospital and then taken it in with him. Where was the hospital security? No where to be seen unfortunately.

Cornersteady replied on 18/12/2021 10:59

Posted on 18/12/2021 10:41 by SeasideBill

Enforcement is not really the answer. We can’t uninvent e-scooters so provision will need to be made for them in future road schemes in the same way as cycle lanes. Some countries are quite good as it, the UK less so.

I think cars have always been required to give way to pedestrians at junctions? Personally I think it’s a nice idea, but it’s much safer to assume it’s never going to happen. The statute book is full of ridiculous laws.

Posted on 18/12/2021 10:59

There are new changes to the highway code coming into effect in January. These now give a new hierarchy for road users  with those that can cause the greatest harm giving way to others and so cars 'must' give way to cyclists and cyclists to pedestrians, horses to cyclists and so on. 

Changes are being made to the Highway Code to increase protection for cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians.

The new rules are due to be instated in January and will make it law for motorists to show more care and consideration for these groups

There are also set distances for overtaking cyclists. I think they come into effect on the 29th?

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 18/12/2021 11:34

Posted on 10/12/2021 16:21 by young thomas

David, I don't see an electric scooter as an alternative to an Ebike..would anyone seriously consider travelling, say, 15 miles out and back on even B roads?

nipping to Tesco, perhaps, but no room for shopping...

Posted on 18/12/2021 11:34

You can get the ones with a detachable seat & a temp basket to strap on both the H/bars & behind the seat. Way more fun than the bikes👍🏻. DK, try it you may be surprised by them, tip-get one of the foldies they are no problem to carry, a good one will have B/tooth to check on the batt status & even on the H/bar readout on the really good ones. If you hire local they’ll give you a run thru & tips. They’re not just fun they are a good alternative for Moho answers re popping into town👍🏻

Takethedogalong replied on 18/12/2021 12:30

Posted on 18/12/2021 10:59 by Cornersteady

There are new changes to the highway code coming into effect in January. These now give a new hierarchy for road users  with those that can cause the greatest harm giving way to others and so cars 'must' give way to cyclists and cyclists to pedestrians, horses to cyclists and so on. 

Changes are being made to the Highway Code to increase protection for cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians.

The new rules are due to be instated in January and will make it law for motorists to show more care and consideration for these groups

There are also set distances for overtaking cyclists. I think they come into effect on the 29th?

Posted on 18/12/2021 12:30

It’s very good news, but it needs to be backed up with a public information campaign, as only those with a vested interest, (cyclists, horse riders and those learning to drive) will be aware.
We lost a number of acquaintances killed riding their horses. My OH had the awful task of being officer in charge at an RTA that killed a young 14 year old we stabled alongside, out on her horse, and he had to hold down the badly injured horse while the vet put it out of its pain. Truly horrific. 

Cornersteady replied on 18/12/2021 13:13

Posted on 18/12/2021 12:30 by Takethedogalong

It’s very good news, but it needs to be backed up with a public information campaign, as only those with a vested interest, (cyclists, horse riders and those learning to drive) will be aware.
We lost a number of acquaintances killed riding their horses. My OH had the awful task of being officer in charge at an RTA that killed a young 14 year old we stabled alongside, out on her horse, and he had to hold down the badly injured horse while the vet put it out of its pain. Truly horrific. 

Posted on 18/12/2021 13:13

+1 and sad to hear all that

From what I've read there will be one once the new rules come into effect.

replied on 18/12/2021 14:09

Posted on 18/12/2021 12:30 by Takethedogalong

It’s very good news, but it needs to be backed up with a public information campaign, as only those with a vested interest, (cyclists, horse riders and those learning to drive) will be aware.
We lost a number of acquaintances killed riding their horses. My OH had the awful task of being officer in charge at an RTA that killed a young 14 year old we stabled alongside, out on her horse, and he had to hold down the badly injured horse while the vet put it out of its pain. Truly horrific. 

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Vulcan replied on 18/12/2021 14:35

Posted on 18/12/2021 10:59 by Cornersteady

There are new changes to the highway code coming into effect in January. These now give a new hierarchy for road users  with those that can cause the greatest harm giving way to others and so cars 'must' give way to cyclists and cyclists to pedestrians, horses to cyclists and so on. 

Changes are being made to the Highway Code to increase protection for cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians.

The new rules are due to be instated in January and will make it law for motorists to show more care and consideration for these groups

There are also set distances for overtaking cyclists. I think they come into effect on the 29th?

Posted on 18/12/2021 14:35

The most concerning of the new HC Rules is the one giving right of way for cyclists to overtake or undertake a vehicle that is indicating to turn left at a junction. I have often thought that a cyclist undertaking a vehicle that is indicating left is at the very least lacking in common sense however, it appears that the rule makers are as bad as the rule will require the vehicle driver indicating to turn left  to wait until there is a gap in the undertaking cyclists however many there are until completing the turn.

Takethedogalong replied on 18/12/2021 14:45

Posted on 18/12/2021 14:45

Horse riding is one of the few activities where age related ability is fairly level. You get superb child riders, and you get appalling adult riders. You cannot of course on approach in a vehicle tell just how competent the rider is, so caution and a wide berth are always the safest choice. The unpredictable element is always the equine, some are known as bomb proof in road traffic, yet a floating plastic bag will send them all over😱 The British Horse Society runs a Riding and Road Safety Award that many Riding Schools, Livery Yards etc… promote to riders to help them if they have to use public roads. They also have Regional Road Safety/Bridleways representatives who will monitor incidents, record statistics and lobby local authorities for signage. 

You are right to be cautious. Most vehicles involved in equine related incidents get badly damaged. Although not usually as badly damaged as the horse and rider. 

davetommo replied on 18/12/2021 19:30

Posted on 18/12/2021 10:59 by Cornersteady

There are new changes to the highway code coming into effect in January. These now give a new hierarchy for road users  with those that can cause the greatest harm giving way to others and so cars 'must' give way to cyclists and cyclists to pedestrians, horses to cyclists and so on. 

Changes are being made to the Highway Code to increase protection for cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians.

The new rules are due to be instated in January and will make it law for motorists to show more care and consideration for these groups

There are also set distances for overtaking cyclists. I think they come into effect on the 29th?

Posted on 18/12/2021 19:30

Does that mean that drivers of 44 ton trucks have to give way to everyone.

davetommo replied on 18/12/2021 19:36

Posted on 18/12/2021 14:35 by Vulcan

The most concerning of the new HC Rules is the one giving right of way for cyclists to overtake or undertake a vehicle that is indicating to turn left at a junction. I have often thought that a cyclist undertaking a vehicle that is indicating left is at the very least lacking in common sense however, it appears that the rule makers are as bad as the rule will require the vehicle driver indicating to turn left  to wait until there is a gap in the undertaking cyclists however many there are until completing the turn.

Posted on 18/12/2021 19:36

I f feel sorry for HGV drivers with this law. There is always a blind spot when you look in your mirrors. 

 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 18/12/2021 21:02

Posted on 18/12/2021 14:35 by Vulcan

The most concerning of the new HC Rules is the one giving right of way for cyclists to overtake or undertake a vehicle that is indicating to turn left at a junction. I have often thought that a cyclist undertaking a vehicle that is indicating left is at the very least lacking in common sense however, it appears that the rule makers are as bad as the rule will require the vehicle driver indicating to turn left  to wait until there is a gap in the undertaking cyclists however many there are until completing the turn.

Posted on 18/12/2021 21:02

I think that is called attempting to stop a cyclist being squished because some arrogant car driver believes they should use their vehicle as a weapon. All you need is to use mirrors or crazily-turn your head to ensure others safety. The rule makers are doing the intelligent thing, they are making a very good decision to help save life. 

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