The future

How about Detling club site it was in the grounds of Kent county showground near Maidstone and as when Folkstone racecouse was open very popular for Dover and the Tunnel when it opened ,I think Blackhorse Farm and then Bearstead sites were taken on when the others closed 

Black horse farm LNA used to be near the road as you come in,then before the system as now was started after the lower toilet block was built

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My first thought was words are cheap. The charging infrastructure is going to require a massive expansion for folks to be able to seriously consider an all electric vehicle and nothing else. Or the mileage per charge.

Our next door but one neighbour has just bought a fully electric vehicle, a Honda E. It has a wonderful dash with electronic fish swimming around on it. His wife has just bought a small hybrid, not sure what that is. The Honda E isn’t capable of commuting from one conurbation (South York’s) down the M1 to another conurbation, Birmingham, so on these occasions he uses his wife’s hybrid. So fine for local journeys, useless or time consuming for other journeys. 

Some hybrids will still be available to buy new after 2030 and of course if you already have an old combustion engined vehicle you can still drive that around as long as you can get fuel. I have 12 year old V70 diesel and if I am still on this mortal coil by 2030 I will probably still have it.

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A heck of a lot more electric points for a start

and possibly an upgrade to the electrical infrastructure to some of the sites, not knowlingly been on one, but apparently some of difficulty coping with the high demand today

I have 12 year old V70 diesel and if I am still on this mortal coil by 2030 I will probably still have it.

mine is 7 years old, but some of this could work in our favour, as time progresses there could be a lot of newer models up for sale as second hand used by people who want to shift to an all electric. A lot of these could be good tow cars, there are lot of heavy weight suv's out there only used to take the kids to school, not sure which way the MH market will go .

I think of a bigger concern is the charge per mile being banded about. Being a relatively low mileage user i am in favour of this, but not at £1.10 pence per mile which is being quoted.

I would think the majority of LV owners already find the majority of sites are  very customer friendly ,and in places that there are enough staff and unusual and/or lease requiremts , that is also catered for, if  there was any "problems"on sites it would be "advised " by the site mamagers  to their regional mangers  for attention of the senior department managers/directors ,

What I have not read or heard about on TV or radio is where is all the extra land going to come from at motorway service areas. Even with the most rapidly charging system the time to 'fill up' will, I am sure, be much longer than putting in a few litres of petrol or diesel so potentially queues building up far more than they currently do at the pumps. And, of course, those pumps will have to remain there for the many vehicles still on the road that need liquid fuel so a new charging area will have to be constructed.

There is also the question of what do drivers do whilst they wait for their vehicle to be charged. I assume that far larger facilities in the form of restaurants or coffee bars will have to be built to accommodate the greater number of users.

As far as diesel fuel is concerned I think it will still be available for many years to come. The oil companies will make certain of that. There will always be a need for it from transport companies from the white van man to the heavy haulage operators. If we take a 'white van' for example the weight of a full tank diesel will be in the region of 80 to 100kg. The battery for a small electric car weighs in at over 300kg (fully charged or flat) so what weight  a battery for a van? If one is generous and said it would only be about 500kg that is one very big reduction in the possible payload of the vehicle. Nett result, transport prices go up and more vans on the road to allow the full  quantity of goods to be  transported. 

Talking to a guy a couple of days ago who has an electric Nissan, he told me he has to plan his journeys very carefully so that he can recharge on route but also, the bit that he was disappointed in, was that whilst he used to drive at 80+ on the motorways (I know that is illegal), but now he is limited to 60 to 70mph.

I'm not against electric vehicles per se but I think there is far more to the problem than just being able to produce the cars. Unfortunately I don't think I will be around to see what happens in years to come although I'd like to think I'm still here.

I think of a bigger concern is the charge per mile being banded about. Being a relatively low mileage user i am in favour of this, but not at £1.10 pence per mile which is being quoted.

Rufs, I 've not seen that figure mentioned, it seems very high. Fuel cost for my Mondeo is about £0.16 per mile and that includes all government tax and duty. If you are correct, it will stop a lot of people driving. It would put my annual fuel costs up from about £1,300 to almost £9,000. Are you sure it is the price per mile not the price per kW of electric?

I think it was a quote from the press, John, where it was said charges of 'up to' £1.50 p/m were under consideration. I'd not worry too much yet.