Formula One
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Fozzie replied on 14/12/2021 20:53
Posted on 14/12/2021 09:58 by DavidKlyneBut, it was not the application or interpretation of the rules that saw LH beaten in the final lap it was the strategic error made by Mercedes for not changing his tyres. Had he had better tyres Max wouldn't have been able to overtake him so easily. So in my view Mercedes have to own up to making a major mistake. Even Damon Hill agrees with me!!! If the race had ended under the safety car, as it would have done if all lapped cars were allowed to pass you cans see the headlines, Another Boring Race, is F1 really worth bothering with? No good for anyone including Mercedes. Michael Masi made a pragmatic decision to get rid of the cars between LH and Max so that we could at least have a race on the final lap. F1 always loses its appeal when you get a dominant team and the Race Directors intervention may have just saved F1.
David
Posted on 14/12/2021 20:53
David,as I understand it Mercedes could not bring Lewis in to change tyres,because he would have lost the lead to MV.Red Bull would have just kept MV on the track.This was another incident where it was not a level playing field.Mercedes would of been dammed if they did and dammed if they didn't.
I don't believe for one minute the race director has "saved" F1 I think it has done the completed opposite.
Football has its VAR, Penalty shoot Outs where both teams have 5 penalties,Cricket has its ultra edge,and in extreme circumstances a 1 over bowl off Tennis has its Hawkeye and the Tiebreaker and Formula 1 did this.
Whittakerr replied on 14/12/2021 22:38
Posted on 14/12/2021 20:02 by BluemalagaThere is a very interesting highlight in this article.
”team principles had made a request that races are not finished behind a safety car”
that would make Michael Massi’s position very difficult in this instance, especially as both principles were pressurising him to accommodate their team
Posted on 14/12/2021 22:38
Bluemalaga, I have re-read the article and cannot find the quote you have made.
What I did find was, and I quote "Red Bull team principal Christian Horner admitting that F1 bosses had discussed trying to ensure races did not end under safety-car conditions because it's an anti-climax."
So it actually says F1 bosses had discussed it and not not team principles. These are two different sets of people with very different agendas.
Bluemalaga replied on 14/12/2021 22:45
Posted on 14/12/2021 22:38 by WhittakerrBluemalaga, I have re-read the article and cannot find the quote you have made.
What I did find was, and I quote "Red Bull team principal Christian Horner admitting that F1 bosses had discussed trying to ensure races did not end under safety-car conditions because it's an anti-climax."
So it actually says F1 bosses had discussed it and not not team principles. These are two different sets of people with very different agendas.
Whittakerr replied on 14/12/2021 22:48
Posted on 14/12/2021 22:48
No totally different. F1 bosses are there to look after the interests i.e. profits of the F1 organisation. Team principles are there to make a cohesive team that wins races.
Its quite understandable that F1 bosses don't want the race to end behind a safety car, although they were quite happy to run the whole race behind a safety car in Belgium so they didn't have to reimburse the fans ticket prices.
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Bluemalaga replied on 14/12/2021 22:58
Posted on 14/12/2021 22:48 by WhittakerrNo totally different. F1 bosses are there to look after the interests i.e. profits of the F1 organisation. Team principles are there to make a cohesive team that wins races.
Whittakerr replied on 14/12/2021 23:00
Posted on 14/12/2021 22:58 by BluemalagaIf you are correct then the F1 bosses would surely prefer to finish under the safety car and not risk expensive damage to their cars in a mad dash to the flag.
MikeyA replied on 15/12/2021 09:25
Posted on 14/12/2021 22:58 by BluemalagaIf you are correct then the F1 bosses would surely prefer to finish under the safety car and not risk expensive damage to their cars in a mad dash to the flag.
SteveL replied on 15/12/2021 10:28
Posted on 15/12/2021 10:28
I thought there were three main organisations involved. The formula one group in which Liberty media have a controlling interest. They look after TV rights and all the other commercial aspects.
Then the FIA the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile's. Its primary role is amending current regulations and drafting new regulations for all of international motor sport. One of the main duties of the WMSC is to allow motor sport to: Continue to develop with an emphasis on maintaining safety for the drivers and spectators, and to encourage competitive motoring innovation which adheres to environmental standards. The FIA's largest motorsport championships include the FIA Formula One World Championship.
Finally there are the teams, who own supply and develop the cars.
They all work together to deliver the sport we want to watch, but not always harmoniously.
Whittakerr replied on 15/12/2021 11:07
Posted on 15/12/2021 10:28 by SteveLI thought there were three main organisations involved. The formula one group in which Liberty media have a controlling interest. They look after TV rights and all the other commercial aspects.
Then the FIA the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile's. Its primary role is amending current regulations and drafting new regulations for all of international motor sport. One of the main duties of the WMSC is to allow motor sport to: Continue to develop with an emphasis on maintaining safety for the drivers and spectators, and to encourage competitive motoring innovation which adheres to environmental standards. The FIA's largest motorsport championships include the FIA Formula One World Championship.
Finally there are the teams, who own supply and develop the cars.
They all work together to deliver the sport we want to watch, but not always harmoniously.
Tammygirl replied on 15/12/2021 11:23
Posted on 15/12/2021 11:23
Football has its VAR, Penalty shoot Outs where both teams have 5 penalties,Cricket has its ultra edge,and in extreme circumstances a 1 over bowl off Tennis has its Hawkeye and the Tiebreaker and Formula 1 did this
Yes, I've thought about how other sports deal with what was in a way a tie between MV and LH. How about a 5 lap race just the 2 of them same tyres starting at the same point on the grid, first to finish wins wouldn't that show who is the better driver and car. No team tactics, no radio, just 2 drivers battling it out. Might need a few more laps so tyres can warm up but you get the point. One person should not have been allowed to decide how a whole season of racing ends.
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