Mole Traps

K9S4EVA replied on 28/09/2021 08:58

Posted on 28/09/2021 08:58

I was disgusted to find out that Caravan Club Policy is to trap and kill moles.

I saw a man setting mole traps along the external and internal perimeter hedge at the entrance to Old Hartley Club Site on Sunday 19 September 2021.

I enquired if he was setting mole traps and he said yes. I asked if that was ethical and humane. He said it was better than seeing mole hills. I said 'is it really?'. He said it was Caravan Club Policy.

As Members surely we have the right to decide whether we'd be happy seeing mole hills, or whether we'd prefer to trap and kill moles, sometimes not immediately killing them and leaving them to suffer.

I wonder why the Wardens can't just remove the erupted earth if it's deemed unsightly?

On top of this, what if a dog dug them up and got injured.  Many terriers and hounds would be very interested in digging where something like a trap has been buried.

Moles are not the enemy, they aerate soil and eat pests...see link below:

https://www.rspca.org.uk/documents/1494935/9042554/Living+with+-+moles+-+formatted+%28V1.2%29+-+2017.pdf/61a0a5f6-b28e-c46e-042d-5b8fecf54207?t=1553171460360&download=true

I would like to see Members being given the opportunity to vote on such cruel practices and whether they feel their Club should continue with them.

In my opinion, if people think natural occurrences like mole hills are unsightly they should question why they want to go caravanning - isn't it getting out into nature, not being in pristine, bowling green like sites?

I'd be interested to hear other people's views on the subject.

JVB66 replied on 20/10/2021 16:21

Posted on 20/10/2021 16:11 by Fisherman
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Posted on 20/10/2021 16:21

Is that why the "country dwellers?", could not get into the cities quick enough to get out of the way of rich farmers, and the poor conditions they were made to live and work insurprised 

Fisherman replied on 20/10/2021 16:33

Posted on 20/10/2021 16:33

Yes it was and still happening today. Rich farmers are not country people. Are you perhaps refering to say Clarkson or the Middle East buyers making large estates. The numbers are endless. The latest is City types buying farms to plant trees to grab the subsidies and not for any real ecological reason.

SeasideBill replied on 20/10/2021 17:03

Posted on 20/10/2021 16:33 by Fisherman

Yes it was and still happening today. Rich farmers are not country people. Are you perhaps refering to say Clarkson or the Middle East buyers making large estates. The numbers are endless. The latest is City types buying farms to plant trees to grab the subsidies and not for any real ecological reason.

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:03

I suppose if they’re planting trees to act as a natural carbon sink for whatever motivation that’s a good thing?

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 20/10/2021 17:10

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:03 by SeasideBill

I suppose if they’re planting trees to act as a natural carbon sink for whatever motivation that’s a good thing?

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:10

+1, neither the motivation nor the owner is the point, the deed is the important thing. Good point SB👍🏻

JVB66 replied on 20/10/2021 17:13

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:13

I understand the  subsidies for that are available are for every one,?

It seems to show their ecological credentials.?

 In the past were grubbing out hedges to make it easier and cheaper  to work the fields are now grabbing the very same subsidies.  , to plant new trees and hedgerows in an effort to stop the topsoil being, ,eroded  by windy weather.  , which why hedges, were planted centuries ago for just that reason, ,   it then looks Good? when in the local , bragging to the new "Incomers"cool

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 20/10/2021 17:18

Posted on 20/10/2021 16:21 by JVB66

Is that why the "country dwellers?", could not get into the cities quick enough to get out of the way of rich farmers, and the poor conditions they were made to live and work insurprised 

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:18

I’ve noticed how the ‘guardians of the countryside’ are selling massive amounts of acres to have concrete laid for new villages everywhere. These guardians will soon be on the news complaining of the destruction of the countryside probably from the Maldives & St Lucia🤷🏻‍♂️🙄

Tinwheeler replied on 20/10/2021 17:26

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:18 by Rocky 2 buckets

I’ve noticed how the ‘guardians of the countryside’ are selling massive amounts of acres to have concrete laid for new villages everywhere. These guardians will soon be on the news complaining of the destruction of the countryside probably from the Maldives & St Lucia🤷🏻‍♂️🙄

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:26

Don’t forget solar and wind farms, Rocky. They are rapidly filling the fields of Cornwall. 😕

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 20/10/2021 18:08

Posted on 20/10/2021 16:33 by Fisherman

Yes it was and still happening today. Rich farmers are not country people. Are you perhaps refering to say Clarkson or the Middle East buyers making large estates. The numbers are endless. The latest is City types buying farms to plant trees to grab the subsidies and not for any real ecological reason.

Posted on 20/10/2021 18:08

There is no such thing as a poor farmer-a pretend poor farmer. . .Lots of those🙄

Wherenext replied on 20/10/2021 19:45

Posted on 20/10/2021 18:08 by Rocky 2 buckets

There is no such thing as a poor farmer-a pretend poor farmer. . .Lots of those🙄

Posted on 20/10/2021 19:45

That's not worthy of you Rocky.

Living in Wales we see suicide and depression caused by financial difficulties in farmers as being among the highest percentage of any work category.

I personally knew of a farmer in the Lakes who took his own life as he couldn't make ends meet. He was a relative of one of my in-laws.

There are some farmers out there really struggling.

These sort of general categorisations don't help.

It's like saying all Yorkshire folk have deep pockets. Untrue. I know several generous ones myself.

I wouldn't want this thread closed down until K9 gets a proper response.

Fisherman replied on 20/10/2021 20:13

Posted on 20/10/2021 20:13

Invariably rich farmers have made their monies outside farming.  However the ordinary ones just keep plugging along, doing their bit and taking the unfound criticism like here as part of life. We dont have the time to form pressure groups or some so called charity. The only thing we cant understand is, if these people hate us so much, why do they keep coming to the "green and pleasant countryside". Some of the above dont deserve a reply.

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