Leaving dogs unattended in van

richardandros replied on 14/07/2021 16:04

Posted on 14/07/2021 16:04

I was always under the impression that it was not allowed to leave dogs unaccompanied in your caravan whilst staying on Club sites.

We are currently on the NYM site, near Whitby and there is a poor dog barking and whining in the van next to us.  The owners went out this morning and given the experience of the last few days, are unlikely to be back until 1800 or so. It is clearly in distress - although how much is anyone's guess.

We have approached the wardens who are aware of the barking (the pitch is not far from the office) and told Ros, that the dog has been barking since the owners went out.  They had been told that it was being left on its own but had water and a bed and, in fairness, they have left all the roof lights open. It is nevertheless upsetting to have to listen to it. Mrs Warden also said that she was not aware of any rule preventing dogs being left on their own.

Having had a look at the CAMC leaflet - "Touring with Dogs" - it appears that she is correct:-

"Dogs can become anxious when lonely or uncomfortable. To minimise this, make sure
they have somewhere cool to relax, with good ventilation and access to an ample supply of drinking water if you do have to leave them for short times.
Where possible, please keep your dog with you, especially on hot days. A quick build-up of temperatures in cars, awnings, outfits or tents can be fatal to animals."

This isn't a complaint about barking dogs - my complaint, if I have one - is about inconsiderate owners who, in my opinion, are not fit to look after an animal.

Have the rules changed - and if so - why, because it doesn't seem fair to the dog!

 

Wherenext replied on 14/07/2021 18:45

Posted on 14/07/2021 18:45

We had the same thing about 12 years ago. Looking after FiL who had dementia we were given a chance of 3 nights respite so took the caravan to Wirral CP. All we wanted to do was sit and read on a sparsely populated site but someone left their dog in the caravan who proceeded to howl the place down. We actually moved pitch after telling wardens who, like Moulesy's wardens, had a very frank exchange with owners who packed up and left. 

It was, I understand, against the rules in those days and has been "amended" since. 

JVB66 replied on 14/07/2021 19:55

Posted on 14/07/2021 19:55

As we and other border collie owners are aware of, take care to ensure of which end of the lead has the highest IQ ,it is a close run thing with most ownerssurprised

richardandros replied on 14/07/2021 20:01

Posted on 14/07/2021 19:55 by JVB66

As we and other border collie owners are aware of, take care to ensure of which end of the lead has the highest IQ ,it is a close run thing with most ownerssurprised

Posted on 14/07/2021 20:01

Love it JVB - and for me - quite happy to admit, Meg would win, hands down! And why notsmile

Tinwheeler replied on 14/07/2021 20:14

Posted on 14/07/2021 18:03 by SeasideBill

The CAMC leaflet “Touring with Dogs” needs a change in emphasis. I’m not interested in dog welfare and don’t want my day ruined by a barking dog - ban the practice of leaving dogs alone. I don’t expect to need a ‘friendly word’ with selfish owners on their return. You wouldn’t expect somebody to go out for the day and leave a generator running or loud radio playing!

Posted on 14/07/2021 20:14

I agree the wording needs to convey a stronger message but it's impractical to totally ban the leaving of dogs. What is a solo camper to do with his/her dog when nipping to the facility block? I think we need to apply common sense here which is clearly something the people we've read of in the quoted examples have lacked. 

Quite apart from the animal welfare point of view, there are rules about noise on site and annoying other campers so barking dogs, especially unattended ones, is certainly an issue to bring to the warden's attention and, in the event of a dog in distress, to do as Rocky described.

richardandros replied on 14/07/2021 20:43

Posted on 14/07/2021 20:14 by Tinwheeler

I agree the wording needs to convey a stronger message but it's impractical to totally ban the leaving of dogs. What is a solo camper to do with his/her dog when nipping to the facility block? I think we need to apply common sense here which is clearly something the people we've read of in the quoted examples have lacked. 

Quite apart from the animal welfare point of view, there are rules about noise on site and annoying other campers so barking dogs, especially unattended ones, is certainly an issue to bring to the warden's attention and, in the event of a dog in distress, to do as Rocky described.

Posted on 14/07/2021 20:43

I agree with everything you have said TW. I’m not suggesting for one minute that dogs should never be left on their own and agree that in the circumstances you suggest, that would be totally impractical. There is a big difference, however, between say, 20 mins in the shower etc, and the five or six hours this dog was left to fend for itself. I was very close to going down the route that Rocky suggested and would have had no hesitation in breaking into the van myself if I thought the circumstances justified it - it’s just not knowing when you are at that point that makes it difficult. My problem is that I can’t understand why some people would want to treat a creature that gives so much, yet asks for so little in return, in such a way.

Tinwheeler replied on 14/07/2021 20:55

Posted on 14/07/2021 20:43 by richardandros

I agree with everything you have said TW. I’m not suggesting for one minute that dogs should never be left on their own and agree that in the circumstances you suggest, that would be totally impractical. There is a big difference, however, between say, 20 mins in the shower etc, and the five or six hours this dog was left to fend for itself. I was very close to going down the route that Rocky suggested and would have had no hesitation in breaking into the van myself if I thought the circumstances justified it - it’s just not knowing when you are at that point that makes it difficult. My problem is that I can’t understand why some people would want to treat a creature that gives so much, yet asks for so little in return, in such a way.

Posted on 14/07/2021 20:55

We sing from the same song sheet, R&R. 

It's terrible the way some folk treat their pets and I have to wonder why they have them. People who have never known the unconditional love of a dog will not understand the meaning of your words or that depth of feeling but others of us are with you 100% and echo your thoughts.

Takethedogalong replied on 14/07/2021 22:18

Posted on 14/07/2021 22:18

It’s not that hard to distinguish between a dog left for 10 minutes (say for example a solo tourer taking a shower) and one left for hours on end howling like mad or barking like mad until it’s uncaring owner returns none the ruddy wiser. If you get no joy from the Site Staff, simply call the Police or the RSPCA, who will investigate. Some people should never own a dog, they are either too thick, or simply don’t care. Same goes for the fools who leave babies and toddlers in hot cars. Beggars belief what some folks do sometimes.🤷‍♀️

richardandros replied on 15/07/2021 07:31

Posted on 15/07/2021 07:31

It seems as if they may have got the message.  They (the owners) were back in their van for about an hour yesterday evening and then went out again - with another couple - obviously going out for a meal.  There wasn't a peep out of their dog whilst they were out, so I can only assume that they took him/her with them.  I hope so, anyway. We haven't said anything to them - those others around us are very friendly and we don't want to cause an 'atmosphere' and I don't suppose anything I might say is going to make any difference in the long term.

I have to smile TTDA - looking at your avatar - that's exactly the pose Meg has adopted in her bed, on the floor of the van, at the moment!  Don't we love 'emsmile Nearly time for a romp around the woods!!

replied on 15/07/2021 08:45

Posted on 14/07/2021 18:03 by SeasideBill

The CAMC leaflet “Touring with Dogs” needs a change in emphasis. I’m not interested in dog welfare and don’t want my day ruined by a barking dog - ban the practice of leaving dogs alone. I don’t expect to need a ‘friendly word’ with selfish owners on their return. You wouldn’t expect somebody to go out for the day and leave a generator running or loud radio playing!

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Tinwheeler replied on 15/07/2021 09:03

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I am with you  Bill. We had French French neighbours in Spain who had a delightful little dog, never a peep out it until the went out "lunching " and it cried until they came back. However we also have Dutch friends whose Rot was more than happy to spend her days silently in an aircoditioned van. It's down to the owners and if they have a dog that cant be left while  feeling the need to indulge in activities  without the dog they shouldn't  be there.

Posted on 15/07/2021 09:03

This isn't a case of being "with" or against. There isn't a single person here who has condoned the actions of folk who leave their dogs unattended in vans for hours are a time. 

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