CL Price Rises

harryb replied on 08/07/2022 18:06

Posted on 08/07/2022 18:06

I have just read a report on FB about a cl owner apologising for putting up her prices.

I thought it a very refreshing reply to some of the large price increases I've seen lately. What cl's owners have to remember is that they are not the only ones suffering from the present climate, so are the members.

I have pasted the article below with some minor changes for identity reasons.

"Just returned from this little gem CL.  It’s *************** at ************, There are EHUs around the edge of the field and a toilet and shower. The owner is extremely friendly and checked with us most days that everything was ok. She said she had to increase the pitch price this year to £15pn, which I said was understandable and still a very good price. Her response was that she didn’t want to increase it too much as WE had to pay so much more for fuel than last year and if she charged too much people wouldn’t be able to afford to use their caravans and motor homes. I thought that it’s a great shame more site owners don’t have the same outlook.".

brue replied on 10/08/2022 11:26

Posted on 10/08/2022 08:46 by harryb

We stayed at a lovely cl in Wisbech two weeks ago. It was £17 a night. ehu, toilet/shower (designed for disabled), all harstanding and believe it or not a free washing machine. The owners were  lovely couple and quite philosophical about their prices and cl future. They are not in business for a profit but do make a small sum. Next year their price will rise by just £1 per night, nothing like some of the price rises we are seeing.

After hearing some of the comments on here and social media about suggested price structure from the club I was interested to hear that their cl inspector had suggested the installation of a drive over drain for motorhomes and suggested they could recoup the cost by charging more. I could tell from their body language what they thought of that. I  made no comment.

 

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:26

Although the owner says a £1 price rise next year the cost of energy for all of us is very unpredictable and I can see big price and spending adjustments coming along. If the predicted price rises are correct and adjustments haven't yet been for other factors eg shortages due to the Ukraine war we're all in for  income drops.

So to be honest we'll all be affected by price changes and unfortunately they're not going to be good for any of us. (If our home energy bill goes up as predicted when our fixed rate ends we will be several hundred pounds out of pocket each month. frown )

eurortraveller replied on 10/08/2022 11:32

Posted on 10/08/2022 10:48 by young thomas

I wonder how many CL customers (the ones that actually us and pay for the site) chat to the site owner about installing drive over wastes?

even for 'older members' adding a few more taps to reduce water humping for caravanners might help, but this is hardly ground breaking stuff.

adding showers, drive over wastes, washing machines etc is a different scale and will require investment that needs to be recouped.

is the cake worth the candle?

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:32

The attitude of farmers down here - where the peaks and troughs of visitor numbers are so seasonal - is that recouping those installation costs is a lot easier for a family run site with planning permission for 20 pitches than it is for a CL limited to 5 vans, no tents, no non members, and therefore no overseas visitors. 

cyberyacht replied on 10/08/2022 11:40

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:40

IMHO CL's should stick to the KISS principle, requiring relatively low investment and therefore able to offer competitive prices and probably more 'bums on seats'. Too much 'bells and whistles' and consequent higher price requirement will most likely result in lower turnover and a choice between going full commercial or cutting losses and packing it in.

SteveL replied on 10/08/2022 11:56

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:26 by brue

Although the owner says a £1 price rise next year the cost of energy for all of us is very unpredictable and I can see big price and spending adjustments coming along. If the predicted price rises are correct and adjustments haven't yet been for other factors eg shortages due to the Ukraine war we're all in for  income drops.

So to be honest we'll all be affected by price changes and unfortunately they're not going to be good for any of us. (If our home energy bill goes up as predicted when our fixed rate ends we will be several hundred pounds out of pocket each month. frown )

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:56

Indeed, just Googling anticipated electricity cost and 51p per Kw hour could well be the going domestic rate by the end of the year. I don’t know how they relate to business usage but I believe they pay more vat. At those rates you don’t need an RV to burn much to make a  £15 / £17 charge unrealistic, particularly in the colder months. It’s certainly going to be a bit of a shock when our fixed price deal comes to an end.☹️

young thomas replied on 10/08/2022 12:31

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:32 by eurortraveller

The attitude of farmers down here - where the peaks and troughs of visitor numbers are so seasonal - is that recouping those installation costs is a lot easier for a family run site with planning permission for 20 pitches than it is for a CL limited to 5 vans, no tents, no non members, and therefore no overseas visitors. 

Posted on 10/08/2022 12:31

I would agree with that. Once prices get close to £25 folk start looking at other options..

young thomas replied on 10/08/2022 12:54

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:56 by SteveL

Indeed, just Googling anticipated electricity cost and 51p per Kw hour could well be the going domestic rate by the end of the year. I don’t know how they relate to business usage but I believe they pay more vat. At those rates you don’t need an RV to burn much to make a  £15 / £17 charge unrealistic, particularly in the colder months. It’s certainly going to be a bit of a shock when our fixed price deal comes to an end.☹️

Posted on 10/08/2022 12:54

We are just into the last year of a two year deal, missing the big jumps so far.

however, by spending the three coldest winter months sat by the med with cheap gas and, so far, cheap electric on site, it goes a mighty long way to keeping annual costs down. 

add in a couple of months in Le Sud in Autumn and that's another portion of rising costs avoided.

yes, we have to pay £320 for a return ferry but it sounds like that's recovered in a month if the 'forecasts' are to be believed.

we've just looked at a large commercial site in Devon and they charge £5.50 a day for electric!

with plenty of solar on the van, we didn't require electric to 'run the van' (tv, bike and iPad/phone charging all via solar powered USB) for three months in Spain other than for OH hairdryer, 5 mins a day.

we've just had nine days on a non EHU site in Weymouth, so no charges there.

I guess folk will either have to endure the rising costs, reduce/end their vanning days or look for a cheaper alternative by using modern technology.
Even in the UK in this sort of weather, a 100-150w panel and a decent battery would allow someone to do without a hook up with just a couple of simple changes...12v tv, use 12v USB charging sockets rather than mains (which just converts the voltage down anyway).

If electric prices are going to be say £5 or more a day, then that solar panel looks like a good return.

it'll be interesting to see where the 'base price' goes to for a nice grass pitch CL with hookup and no more. Perhaps that £25 might be the number. If so, it will stop many from using them...IMHO of course.

replied on 10/08/2022 13:11

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:32 by eurortraveller

The attitude of farmers down here - where the peaks and troughs of visitor numbers are so seasonal - is that recouping those installation costs is a lot easier for a family run site with planning permission for 20 pitches than it is for a CL limited to 5 vans, no tents, no non members, and therefore no overseas visitors. 

Posted on 10/08/2022 13:11

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eurortraveller replied on 10/08/2022 15:04

Posted on 10/08/2022 15:04

Campers with tents want toilets and showers - they don’t have their own.

Caravanners want their own tap and EHU which they can hook up to.

Motorhomers want hard roadways and pitches or else they get stuck.

Everyone wants laundry and drying facilities. 

The site owners who invest in those things  get customers.

A limit of five outfits simply isn’t profitable down here. 

DavidKlyne replied on 10/08/2022 17:24

Posted on 10/08/2022 17:24

£25 a night would not be a deal breaker for me. However I do have several stipulations about CL's which is often not easy to achieve. Location is the main one as I want a CL to be near things, so an easy walk to town or village - less than a mile. Alternatively public transport within half a mile. Site facilities - Hardstanding level pitch, services pitches and EHU. Don't need toilet/showers and depending on the grey water regime on site might not need a drive over motorhome waste point. There are some CL's that meet this requirement but not many.

David

DaveCyn replied on 10/08/2022 17:55

Posted on 10/08/2022 15:04 by eurortraveller

Campers with tents want toilets and showers - they don’t have their own.

Caravanners want their own tap and EHU which they can hook up to.

Motorhomers want hard roadways and pitches or else they get stuck.

Everyone wants laundry and drying facilities. 

The site owners who invest in those things  get customers.

A limit of five outfits simply isn’t profitable down here. 

Posted on 10/08/2022 17:55

Not everyone!

Communal water taps are a great place to chat and make new friends!

Not every caravanner needs EHU! We do very nicely using 150 watts of solar.

Laundry and drying can be taken care of via a local launderette.

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