O.K.----What is the arrival time?

I've always been a fan of the staggered access/relaxed attitude that pays dividends in Europe, it should be a relaxed time, one for Manana mindsets not a boot camp with strict times backed up by machine gun nests. If folk arrive too early there'll be less choice, arrive all together there'll be mayhem & potential danger. Staggered will enable a relaxed sign in & enjoyable/relaxed start to your break

Well there is the grass. They tend not to cut very close to the hardstandings if vans / awnings are on them to avoid potential damage from flung stones. Also the aqua roll / waste master might be right against it, on some pitches. When we leave after our normal week stay, it is often in need of cutting.

Even worse than the early arrivals is the late departers......now that really does seriously inconvenience other members, for their own selfish gain.

That may or may not be the case, depending on your point of view. However, it is currently permitted by the rules, on some sites. Unlike arriving before the stated earliest arrival time.

Warden's discretion, surely?

And whether it's 'allowed' or not, that makes no difference to the inconvenience caused, surely?

Wether it is wardens discretion or not makes no difference. The CC allows them that discretion. I have not seen it written anywhere that they have discretion to let you on site early, or you can ask for an earlier arrival, although they most certainly use it anyway. Wrongly in my opinion.

As to it causing inconvenience that is surely a matter of opinion. We have never stayed beyond 12, or asked to do so. However, I have no problem with others so doing, whilst it is permitted.

  Ian  Have you mentioned this before,?

ps have you had a reply to your application,for a position in the club where you could mention again that the rule is wrong

If there is a  rule, allowing Wardens to choose who can stay on site after 12.00 noon,  we cannot blame customers for taking advantage of the situation.  It does however make a mockery of the "No arrivals before" rule. The two are diametrically opposed.  

So if the Wardens discretion is allowed regarding the "No arrivals before" rule  then their discretion should be allowed regarding   "Departures" .  ----- Can't have it both ways

Tightening  up Warden's discretion on one, means tightening up on both.  -- The preferred option.

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So hanging about the site office and trying to make  friends with the warden might work to some people's advantage.  

Cheers........................K

I'm a little curious about that distinction Ian. Given that your argument in the past has been that late departures could deprive one of the pitch they want, surely early arrivals are just as likely to do that? So both equally "inconvenient" and "selfish" (your words, not mine.)

The only way you're going to get your desired full choice of pitches is if you arrive on the dot of 12 o'clock, are first in the queue, no-one is departing late and no-one has arrived early - all equally unlikely in my experience.

The main difference K, is that with discretion on leaving the customer is on site and the warden can say yes or no, depending on circumstances. Whilst early arrivals come unannounced, putting the warden in a difficult position. There is often no turning space, or much waiting room at reception. Therefore if the earlier arrival is refused, they still have to be let on site to turn round and although the entrance barrier can be raised from reception, I am not sure about the exit. All of which can cause problems on sites where reception cannot be continually staffed.