Weights and payloads

eribaMotters replied on 21/01/2021 11:18

Posted on 21/01/2021 11:18

I must admit this is a sore point for me and I admit I'm  narrow minded, but it really is a safety issue that I believe manufacturers should address.

I contacted the club following a magazine review of a very nice twin axle a couple of months ago. It made many berths, was big and heavy with lots of storage, but a very poor payload. 

When on sites UK and abroad, CL's, independent and club I am amazed and saddened at the stuff owners drag out of there vans. Just because they have the space they think they can fill it, but vans turn up and it is obvious they are overloaded. 

I have not gone as far as to weighbridge my van, as I know some have, but I keep a list of accurate weights in an attempt to keep on top of things and with correct loading remain safe.

So what do your vans actually weigh ready for you to fill and what are your real payloads?

I'll start with mine:-

2017 Eriba 430 - 3 berth

basic weight = 840kg - 30kg for BS EN 1646-2 gas/water allowance = 810kg

Add factory fit extras and mover at 125kg = 935kg

Max permissible load of 1200kg = 265kg [now available with 1300kg axle for 365kg] payload

 

Colin

MikeyA replied on 22/01/2021 10:17

Posted on 22/01/2021 08:41 by

Never been to a weighbrdge  and dont drive myself  mad worrying  about the minutiae of towing, noseweights etc  I just adopt a common sense approach  to loading and carry as much of the heavy kit as possible in the car .  After 40 years and many thousand miles a year I am convinced the answer to stability is use of  the right foot. 

Posted on 22/01/2021 10:17

Agree but I am more convinced  that a car of sufficient excess weight to the caravan is as important if not more.

As long as it is legal I take no other notice of the towing limit of the car. I will never tow with a vehicle where the kerbweight is less than the MTPLM of the caravan. Others might argue I am ultra cautious and old fashioned, I can only agree!

DaveT replied on 22/01/2021 12:51

Posted on 22/01/2021 12:51

I agree with the sentiment of ensuring that your outfit is not over weight, there is just an issue of where you can get your outfit weighed accurately. To the best of my knowledge, public weigh bridges have a tolerance of +/- 5%. So for an outfit weighing 1800Kg, it could read 1710Kg or 1890Kg. If this is the case, it seems a pointless exercise. Have I missed something?

 

MikeyA replied on 22/01/2021 13:49

Posted on 22/01/2021 13:49

DaveT,  I understand your concerns re accuracy but it maybe on checking your van is shown to 150kg overweight! 

All I would say is, if your outfit was  weighed by the DVLA and found to be overweight but you could show them that you had a certificate showing that it was OK at that time, they may just give you a warning rather than a fine.

I have never had my current caravan weighed but I did substantially upgrade the MTPLM at the time of purchase, so I would not be in the situation of being close to the limit. 

DSB replied on 23/01/2021 18:18

Posted on 22/01/2021 09:28 by Fozzie

Yes as being one of many with the "Failed Axle" and you have overloaded the van with only the very basic stuff in it proves to me the very poor allowances now.

Like DSB now I have two large plastic boxes and all "extra's" like cadac,Avtex TV ramps Awning security locks all travel in the car.

I did have my van weighed with the stuff you cannot do without,like pots and pans,cups,plates and cutlery,extra gas cylinder,aquaroll and waste container.etc ect. only to find I have just 14kg left.

Surprise to me was the weight of the fixed bed duvet bedding pillows and security locks.

This in my mind,is all due to the motor mover eating so much of your payload allowance.

I loathe to say it,but if every van like mine has such low payloads, because a is MM fitted,there must be many many towing over their maximum.

Posted on 23/01/2021 18:18

Absolutely agree Fozzie.... especially that many overload.  I still remember a few years back when a caravan pitched next to us and I've never seen so much stuff come out of a caravan.... including 4 bikes!

We also 'bought the weight upgrade'......

David

ocsid replied on 24/01/2021 09:16

Posted on 22/01/2021 09:35 by cyberyacht

UK caravan payloads are pathetic and totally unrealistic. By the time that a battery, mover and gas has been added, the payload has virtually disappeared. That's before you think about extra toys like solar, aircon, satellite dishes etc. I weighed my previous 4 berth caravan that had been up-plated to give me a theoretical 230Kg payload. It was just about sufficient for two without any aforementioned 'extra toys'. It's less of an issue now I have a MH but even then must be watched to remain within axle/gross plated limit of 3500Kg.

Posted on 24/01/2021 09:16

"UK caravan payloads are pathetic and totally unrealistic."

Spot on CY, but I would add "we" collectively only have ourselves to blame, "we" buy them.

Only if "we" take a positive buying stance will things ever improve.

We don't entertain a van, unless it is viable, however seductive it might otherwise appear.

JVB66 replied on 24/01/2021 09:25

Posted on 24/01/2021 09:16 by ocsid

"UK caravan payloads are pathetic and totally unrealistic."

Spot on CY, but I would add "we" collectively only have ourselves to blame, "we" buy them.

Only if "we" take a positive buying stance will things ever improve.

Posted on 24/01/2021 09:25

And also it is most of "us" who want all the bells and whistles in a caravan that "we" can tow with the cheapest to run tow vehicles ,it can not work and still have larger payloads 

MikeyA replied on 24/01/2021 12:42

Posted on 24/01/2021 09:25 by JVB66

And also it is most of "us" who want all the bells and whistles in a caravan that "we" can tow with the cheapest to run tow vehicles ,it can not work and still have larger payloads 

Posted on 24/01/2021 12:42

Quite agree but when did it seem to become necessary for caravanners to have the largest caravan possible, the largest awning possible and all the extraneous equipment.

Is the apparent change from touring to longer stays one site, a result of the larger vans etc, the perceived difficulty in arranging multiple sites or is it no longer a pleasure towing on our crowded roads 

cyberyacht replied on 24/01/2021 15:55

Posted on 24/01/2021 15:55

All of the above probably. One wonders how many newbies who have bought these 8ft behemoths realise all is not sweetness and light and sell by the end of the summer.

ocsid replied on 24/01/2021 16:30

Posted on 24/01/2021 15:55 by cyberyacht

All of the above probably. One wonders how many newbies who have bought these 8ft behemoths realise all is not sweetness and light and sell by the end of the summer.

Posted on 24/01/2021 16:30

I hazard a lot less than, either don't bother, don't care or don't understand and use their vans in the manner the advertising pictures portray, all family with bikes and smiles etc.

We also have the toys, but have the payload and the OTT tow vehicle to do so.

I suspect when Covid has "passed" many newbies will dump the vans, but doubt they will have ever realised they overloaded them start to finish.

peedee replied on 25/01/2021 06:13

Posted on 22/01/2021 12:51 by DaveT

I agree with the sentiment of ensuring that your outfit is not over weight, there is just an issue of where you can get your outfit weighed accurately. To the best of my knowledge, public weigh bridges have a tolerance of +/- 5%. So for an outfit weighing 1800Kg, it could read 1710Kg or 1890Kg. If this is the case, it seems a pointless exercise. Have I missed something?

 

Posted on 25/01/2021 06:13

Don't agree, the weiigh bridge I use at a scap yard is regularly calibriated by a standards organisation. I know this because I had to wait once while the job was finished and is was explained to me what was going on. Any how does it matter if at a roadside check a similar tolerance is applied?

peedee

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