Motor homes and payloads

Jax1234 replied on 31/10/2019 14:46

Posted on 31/10/2019 14:46

Currently own a caravan but was looking at replacing with a 2nd hand motor home...BUT having decided on layout I am increasingly concerned at payload. It would be for 2 of us plus dog and 2 push bikes. Was looking at something like the Autotrail 632.( Liked the idea of fixed bed plus garage) Budget around £40k

I'm starting to get the impression that with a 3500 KG Gross Vehicle Weight this might not be possible. It's made even harder to work out as most of the dealer web sites don't give any indication of payload or MIRO. Any pointers or advice?

 

Thanks

Sumitra replied on 09/12/2019 19:48

Posted on 09/12/2019 19:48

Just seen a four berth motorhome reviewed in this months MMM.It has 300kgs loading margin,250kgs if you have an automatic gearbox!!!

KeithandMargaret replied on 10/12/2019 08:34

Posted on 09/12/2019 19:48 by Sumitra

Just seen a four berth motorhome reviewed in this months MMM.It has 300kgs loading margin,250kgs if you have an automatic gearbox!!!

Posted on 10/12/2019 08:34

Who ever buys one of those Motorhomes will probably be soon singing along with Cliff Richard and the song 'Travelling Light'.

Let's hope they are on the 'slight' side of the weight scale or they will be illegal even before they set off.

cool

JVB66 replied on 10/12/2019 08:47

Posted on 10/12/2019 08:47

It could be that motor caravan manufacturers are now looking at what it seems is a growing market of 3500 kg max vehicles, but also loaded with all the bells and whistles that the buyers are expecting, and  as stated continental biult LVs are very much heavier already,  there must be less weight available for for what else one thinks is needed for daily lifesurprised

young thomas replied on 10/12/2019 09:26

Posted on 10/12/2019 09:26

another article in MMM with a couple with a scooter in the garage of a 3.5t van...they had weighed it, all up, which is good and were delighted it came in 40kg under weight, again great...

however, they didnt say they had checked the axle weights and it could easily be that the front axle was well under and the rear over...

young thomas replied on 17/12/2019 11:02

Posted on 31/10/2019 17:20 by young thomas

hi, not chapter and verse but to say that the AT 632 has been the subject of a number of 'payload' threads.

IMHO, the new model (longer/heavier than a likely second hand model) is certainly 'difficult' to run at 3500kg even with just two people..just go to AT website and look at their 'weight calculator' page for the 632.

older versions may be a little better but care may be needed.

even with 500kg of payload, youll quickly eat into that with a full water tank and your OH (175 together) bikes and dog (another 30)...so now less than 300 left.

this will need to accommodate and outside gear (tables, chairs, water mgt kit, tools etc) along with all your 'living' equipment like pots, pans, electrical items, clothes, boots, bedding (far heavier than you'd think), books, maps etc.

there are also factory/dealer fitted extras like a 2nd leisure battery, satellite system, solar panel, inverters, bike rack (even inside a garage)

i like ET s idea of weighing the van as is and adding everything ypu can think of.

fixed rear beds and a garage underneath is al ost the exclusive preserve of continental vans and there are loads to choose from.

good luck.

Posted on 17/12/2019 11:02

above i cited a 500kg payload as being about the minimum needed for those who tour for longer periods, with much kit and usually water as they might make some impromptu stops...

having seen a recent review of the Sift Kon Tiki Sport (formerly Bessacar 500 series) i was minded to check their model range as there used to be a couple of 'caveat emptors' lurking within....

the model reviewed sat on the heavy chassis and had a reasonable payload but tucked away in the range is the 584 Lounge, a near 8m, rear single bed, rear washroom version which should also be on this chassis.

for reasons known only to themselves, Swift have this (and a similar French bedded version) on the light chassis.

this van weighs 3295kg when chosen with the desirable new 9-speed auto transmission, sure to be a popular option at this price point.

this leaves a 'payload' (surely not the right word for such a pathetic number) of 205kg....and this does NOT include any water, the passenger, nor the second gas bottle (a single 6kg is included but, again, not what many touring folk would carry....)

so, add these three elements and the whole payload has completely disappeared, leaving no room at all for anything else....no clothes, bedding, tools, food, drink, pots, pans, crockery, leads, electrical devices, books, wine etc, etc....

even without the water, the passenger and a few of the above would tip the balance...

surely anyone ending up with this van would be in serious trouble and its no real help upgrading to 3850 as its likely that, with that huge rear overhang, the rear axle limit would be reached way before any enhanced payload figure was.

IMV, not a good offering and some poor buyer will end up heartbroken that they can't use their shiny new, expensive van in the way they thought they would.

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