The Amended Red Guide re User owns cylinders!!

Merve replied on 14/11/2018 16:43

Posted on 14/11/2018 16:43

I now post the relevant section of the NEW AMENDED RED GUIDE regarding the use of user owned cylinders. This should be sufficient to convince the most hardened cynic of it’s existence! The technical dept at East Grinstead should now be in possession of the facts. As caravanners, we should welcome this new Guide with open arms. Hopefully, this will start a new era for cheaper gas- much cheaper gas!  Safefill complies with both these requirements. ✔️ I cannot speak for any other brand. Thanks.

 

Portable LPG cylinders
22) Gas supplier owned cylinders: Cylinders supplied on an exchange empty for full basis are owned by the gas supplier and are designed to be filled by weight. It is a requirement that only the owner or their authorised filler may refill the cylinders.
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GUIDANCE ON MANAGING THE RISKS OF FIRE AND EXPLOSION
Customer refillable cylinders
23) Cylinders that are designed to be refilled by the public should be of a type that is recognisable by the forecourt operator and incorporate the following safety features:
− Be fitted with an overfill prevention device, that prevents the cylinder being filled
above 80 % of its capacity.✔️
− Have a fill valve compatible with the nozzle of an autogas dispenser.✔️
It is recommended that where the refilling of cylinders is being allowed a sign headed 'Cylinder filling operation' covering the responsibilities of the filler be displayed on or adjacent to the autogas dispenser(s). The sign should include the following:
− This site allows the filling of cylinders specifically designed to be filled from an
autogas dispenser.
− Do not fill any cylinder that has suffered any damage or that is out of test date.
− In the event of a leak or overfilling – stop filling immediately and notify the site
operator.
Should a forecourt operator choose not to allow these cylinders to be filled on their premises, it is recommended that:
− clear signage is displayed on or near the autogas dispenser(s) stating that
cylinders may not be filled,
− their personnel are trained to refuse the refilling of cylinders.
To enable cylinders that are designed to be filled by volume to be filled from autogas dispensers, the forecourt operator should comply with the requirements of DSEAR in that they have:
− Carried out a risk assessment then implemented suitable and sufficient control
measures.
− Trained their staff to ensure that the cylinder is placed level and upright before
authorising the dispenser.
− Trained their staff to recognise the incidents that may occur during the refilling of
cylinders and the action to take as the result of an incident involving a cylinder.
A supplier or manufacturer of cylinders that are designed to be refilled from autogas dispensers may provide means by which a forecourt operator may recognise their cylinders.
Additional information is available from the UKLPG.
LPG containers attached to vehicles
(24) LPG containers that are securely attached to a vehicle for heating or cooking purposes may be filled from the autogas dispenser on the provision that they:
− remain in situ for filling;
− are fitted with an internal device to physically prevent filling beyond 80% of the
full capacity; and
− have a fixed filling connection external to the vehicle.
Adaptors for autogas filling
25) Dispensers on UK forecourts are fitted with nozzles to connect onto vehicle 'bayonet' filling connections, however vehicles, especially from continental Europe, may have other designs of filling connections so drivers then carry adaptors so that they can fill at any forecourt autogas dispenser.
26) Site operators should have a policy in place for the use of adaptors, this could be that the use of adaptors is not permitted. Alternatively, should they have satisfied themselves that they have identified and implemented the control measures that address the additional risks associated with the use of adaptors, they may consider their use. Their policy should be included in the training of forecourt staff.

Merve replied on 17/11/2018 14:42

Posted on 15/11/2018 09:44 by

If retailers who supply LPG at their stations follow the guides advice and put up notices to clearly indicate whether they permit refilling of cylinders that would doubtless be useful to such customers. 

Nobody has called you a liar Merve and those posts that you describe as poisonous and full of bile certainly were not. Please don't keep attacking others for their thoughts Merve. Best wishes however from me.

Alan

Posted on 17/11/2018 14:42

I attack no one Easy and I absolutely  agree with you that the new Red Guide does nothing but address safety issues around filling cylinders but that is the point- cylinders of the correct construction and if the retailer wants to supply the LPG in the first place, are now able to be filled whereas before, the Red Guide and the Sht 26 made it absolutely clear that it was illegal to fill cylinders . That was because Safefill had not appeared in the market place and it was assumed- quite rightly that all cylinders were of the rental type. Safefill arrived and everyone was thinking that it was still illegal to fill cylinders!! We saw it with blanket bans on filling cylinders didn’t we? UKLPG have been quite happy to allow the old Sht 26 to remain on the web and I have my own opinions as to why. However, Safefill through PELG has changed the landscape and this generation and future generations should be thanks whether you use one or not. I have to say that the previous debacle on this subject was pretty in my face! I was virtually called a liar because I couldn’t provide a link to the new Red Guide. It wasn’t even published at the time- written but no published! I was aghast that some were prepared to dismiss my offerings even though Morrisons , a major supermarket had broken the mould and partnered Safefill- that I did find incredible and it was obvious that it was not worth carrying  on talking to brick walls. So now I am proved right. I am glad for the fact that I and my fellow caravanners and Motorhomers now have choice. It’s a leap forward. IMHO it can only lead to a virtual blanket acceptance of ‘properly constructed cylinders’ just give it time!!

 

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