Thinking about getting a Safefill cylinder

Xenopodus2 replied on 06/06/2021 10:05

Posted on 06/06/2021 10:05

Hi All,

I'm thinking about getting a refillable Safefill gas cylinder to use in the caravan but also (quite a lot) on my BBQ at home. Currently I have a Calor patio gas cylinder I use for both which has a clip on regulator. 

Does anybody know if it's possible to use a clip on regulator with a Safefill cylinder or am I going to have to change both sets of fittings?

And while I'm here ... the Club's FAQs say :

"We advise against user-owned, portable LPG cylinders refilling at Autogas refuelling sites."

but without any explanation as to why. Does anybody know why they take this position?

TIA,

Dave

young thomas replied on 21/06/2021 14:52

Posted on 21/06/2021 14:52

i am a member of Countrywide (now owned by Flogas) and my local pump is just a pump on a commercial estate and it has a locking key and keypad for members only.

no one 'trained' is there to supervise, just a few notes on how to use these (and link a card the pin number for account billing) and away ypu go.

no different to using a fuel pump or my other 'go to' LPG pump at an Esso station (@ 59ppl).

if the club used a little more technology (like the ANPR system we used last week to enter our site after checking in online) to allow customers a little more freedom from beurocracy, theybcould get on anf fill without any other human intervention even with regard to payment...

the massive changes many businesses were making to slick up things for customers when 'contact' was the one thing not really wanted, seem light years away from how the club look at things... 

what an opportunity missed to move over to more automated arrivals etc.

far too much 'control' in the club 'genes' to (god forbid) allow a customer to check in, pass onto site automatically or fill their LPG tank on their own.

I would have thought that there was a pretty large groundswell from the likes of Auto Sleepers/AutoTrail owners for conveniently sited LPG supplies.

where else would a MH owner like to get his gas....a campsite, just as those using cylinders do...

LLM replied on 21/06/2021 15:14

Posted on 21/06/2021 14:52 by young thomas

i am a member of Countrywide (now owned by Flogas) and my local pump is just a pump on a commercial estate and it has a locking key and keypad for members only.

no one 'trained' is there to supervise, just a few notes on how to use these (and link a card the pin number for account billing) and away ypu go.

no different to using a fuel pump or my other 'go to' LPG pump at an Esso station (@ 59ppl).

if the club used a little more technology (like the ANPR system we used last week to enter our site after checking in online) to allow customers a little more freedom from beurocracy, theybcould get on anf fill without any other human intervention even with regard to payment...

the massive changes many businesses were making to slick up things for customers when 'contact' was the one thing not really wanted, seem light years away from how the club look at things... 

what an opportunity missed to move over to more automated arrivals etc.

far too much 'control' in the club 'genes' to (god forbid) allow a customer to check in, pass onto site automatically or fill their LPG tank on their own.

I would have thought that there was a pretty large groundswell from the likes of Auto Sleepers/AutoTrail owners for conveniently sited LPG supplies.

where else would a MH owner like to get his gas....a campsite, just as those using cylinders do...

Posted on 21/06/2021 15:14

How do I register for the countrywide service please?

young thomas replied on 21/06/2021 15:36

Posted on 21/06/2021 15:36

gomto the Flogas website, you can register there. many of their pumps are the 'normal' ones we see at supermarkets etc, but there are a number which can only be used by account holders.

i had to speak to them recently, they are very helpful.

good luck.

SeasideBill replied on 21/06/2021 16:58

Posted on 21/06/2021 15:36 by young thomas

gomto the Flogas website, you can register there. many of their pumps are the 'normal' ones we see at supermarkets etc, but there are a number which can only be used by account holders.

i had to speak to them recently, they are very helpful.

good luck.

Posted on 21/06/2021 16:58

I think Flogas is the link

LLM replied on 21/06/2021 17:36

Posted on 21/06/2021 17:36

Struggled with it a bit but finally found Flogas Autogas Key Sites.  You then have to email Customerservice.enquiries@flogas.co.uk and request an application form.  

I did also glean some more info.  Like Calor, Flogas is experiencing a severe shortage of new cylinders.  Because of this they are not starting any new cylinder accounts.  If you don't have a cylinder to exchange then you will not get a new one.  Apparently people buying gas BBQ's are having to take them back because they can't get a cylinder.  This shortage is also causing problems in other sectors of the market including LV's.  

Now anyone want a 6kg Calor Propane bottle about two thirds full make me an offer I can't refuse laughinglaughing.   

PS. Thanks Bill, your link was most helpful.

allanandjean replied on 22/06/2021 07:18

Posted on 22/06/2021 07:18

Hi BB, I can see your point re the clubs apparent attitude but, as a non LPG system/Safefill user, can see that it appears to be something that will appeal to a relatively small number.

Cornwall is perhaps poor example however, as that’s where I am, I have, on a number of occasions, looked at availability and prices. Yesterday 4 of 6 outlets had no LPG available and the prices were 79p/litre plus.

In what appears to be a rapidly shrinking supply system I can’t see any point, unless you use a lot of gas and have a reliable source, in going the Safefill route, for me or the club.

We are onsite with friends who have an Autotrail with a Gaslow system and his three closest LPG pumps, he lives near Basingstoke, have all closed and he now feels he must fill whenever he sees a pump.

I looked at prices for LPG cylinders yesterday, as reported very short supplies, and my 10kg Gaslight will be £48 to change but at the moment the nearest pump is over 60 miles away and charges 99p/litre so, for me there is no convenience and little cost savings.

Its still a great idea but having decided it was not for me back in 2016 nothing I have seen will be changing my mind anytime soon.

allanandjean replied on 22/06/2021 07:24

Posted on 22/06/2021 07:24

Should have said that for anyone in Cornwall needing a cylinder Logan’s Logs near Wadebridge had supplies yesterday of 10 kg Gaslight-£48, 6kg propane clip on-£31 and 11kg propane-£43.

Their website shows availability but not prices.

replied on 22/06/2021 07:43

Posted on 22/06/2021 07:18 by allanandjean

Hi BB, I can see your point re the clubs apparent attitude but, as a non LPG system/Safefill user, can see that it appears to be something that will appeal to a relatively small number.

Cornwall is perhaps poor example however, as that’s where I am, I have, on a number of occasions, looked at availability and prices. Yesterday 4 of 6 outlets had no LPG available and the prices were 79p/litre plus.

In what appears to be a rapidly shrinking supply system I can’t see any point, unless you use a lot of gas and have a reliable source, in going the Safefill route, for me or the club.

We are onsite with friends who have an Autotrail with a Gaslow system and his three closest LPG pumps, he lives near Basingstoke, have all closed and he now feels he must fill whenever he sees a pump.

I looked at prices for LPG cylinders yesterday, as reported very short supplies, and my 10kg Gaslight will be £48 to change but at the moment the nearest pump is over 60 miles away and charges 99p/litre so, for me there is no convenience and little cost savings.

Its still a great idea but having decided it was not for me back in 2016 nothing I have seen will be changing my mind anytime soon.

Posted on 22/06/2021 07:43

As a caravanner and always on EHU it is of no interest to me. If I ran a fridge and heating on gas it might be. 

allanandjean replied on 22/06/2021 08:45

Posted on 22/06/2021 07:43 by

As a caravanner and always on EHU it is of no interest to me. If I ran a fridge and heating on gas it might be. 

Posted on 22/06/2021 08:45

Yes, that’s what I meant but used a few more words!

eurortraveller replied on 22/06/2021 09:00

Posted on 22/06/2021 07:24 by allanandjean

Should have said that for anyone in Cornwall needing a cylinder Logan’s Logs near Wadebridge had supplies yesterday of 10 kg Gaslight-£48, 6kg propane clip on-£31 and 11kg propane-£43.

Their website shows availability but not prices.

Posted on 22/06/2021 09:00

Wow!  That’s dear. We have no mains gas at home so the Flogas man has just brought some fresh supplies to the house. 19kg for £29 each -  including VAT and free delivery. They are just a bit big and heavy for a caravan though the Irish travellers use them.

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