Cheaper holidays EV charging
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brue replied on 30/07/2023 15:32
Posted on 30/07/2023 15:32
Speaking as a long term EV owner I've seen the results of the combustible properties of ice vehicles on my travels but have yet to witness an EV in the same situation. That's seven years of driving an EV..I have seen the charred remains of a motorhome on a site, sadly.
Of course if you've flown recently you'll also know about explosive aviation fuel and pollution too. The same for ships at sea.
EVs were designed to lesson the pollution in the air you breathe, no bad thing and a credit to all the design and research work in their development.
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GTrimmer replied on 30/07/2023 16:16
Posted on 30/07/2023 16:16
I notice you've ignored the fact that ICE cars tend catch fire later in their lifespan due to other faults like fuel leaks or components breaking down through age and use.
Unlike electric cars that start catching fire on the journey from the factory to whichever country is importing them before they have even been used by the customer who ordered them?
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Rufs replied on 30/07/2023 16:45
Posted on 30/07/2023 15:32 by brueSpeaking as a long term EV owner I've seen the results of the combustible properties of ice vehicles on my travels but have yet to witness an EV in the same situation. That's seven years of driving an EV..I have seen the charred remains of a motorhome on a site, sadly.
Of course if you've flown recently you'll also know about explosive aviation fuel and pollution too. The same for ships at sea.
EVs were designed to lesson the pollution in the air you breathe, no bad thing and a credit to all the design and research work in their development.
Posted on 30/07/2023 16:45
Not against EV's brue in fact would be a good investment for us as we have solar panels but to spend £30k+ for a run around is too much of an investment for me and i need a big car not an EV to tow the caravan so our old Kia Carens (2008)will have to last a few more years yet as a run around, but at 2k miles per annum i dont think we are doing too much damage..
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ChocolateTrees replied on 30/07/2023 16:49
Posted on 30/07/2023 16:16 by GTrimmerI notice you've ignored the fact that ICE cars tend catch fire later in their lifespan due to other faults like fuel leaks or components breaking down through age and use.
Unlike electric cars that start catching fire on the journey from the factory to whichever country is importing them before they have even been used by the customer who ordered them?
Oscarmax replied on 30/07/2023 18:32
nelliethehooker replied on 30/07/2023 20:33
Posted on 30/07/2023 16:49 by ChocolateTreesWhat are the EVs causing a fire between manufacture and import?
Posted on 30/07/2023 20:33
Two example
1. March 1st 2022. The Felicity Ace had been carrying nearly 4,000 vehicles from various Volkswagen Group brands. A number of the vehicles were fully electric, including models from Volkswagen and Audi, something that could have made the fire more difficult to control. Fires involving lithium ion batteries are particularly difficult to extinguish.
2. Last week. K Line, the company that chartered the Fremantle Highway said on Friday that it was carrying far more electric vehicles than initially reported by the coastguard.Company spokesman Pat Adamson said the ship was carrying a total of 3,783 new vehicles, including 498 electric vehicles, including Mercedes-Benz.
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DavidKlyne replied on 30/07/2023 23:11
Posted on 30/07/2023 20:33 by nelliethehookerTwo example
1. March 1st 2022. The Felicity Ace had been carrying nearly 4,000 vehicles from various Volkswagen Group brands. A number of the vehicles were fully electric, including models from Volkswagen and Audi, something that could have made the fire more difficult to control. Fires involving lithium ion batteries are particularly difficult to extinguish.
2. Last week. K Line, the company that chartered the Fremantle Highway said on Friday that it was carrying far more electric vehicles than initially reported by the coastguard.Company spokesman Pat Adamson said the ship was carrying a total of 3,783 new vehicles, including 498 electric vehicles, including Mercedes-Benz.
Posted on 30/07/2023 23:11
Nellie
There is no proof in either case that the fires were started by EV's on board, plenty of speculation yes. Interestingly the types of ships involved have a pretty poor safety record going back to 2002, which was long before EV's were being transported across the globe. I am not saying that it is not possible that it started by a battery in an EV but that has not been proved as yet.
David
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ChocolateTrees replied on 30/07/2023 23:14
Posted on 30/07/2023 20:33 by nelliethehookerTwo example
1. March 1st 2022. The Felicity Ace had been carrying nearly 4,000 vehicles from various Volkswagen Group brands. A number of the vehicles were fully electric, including models from Volkswagen and Audi, something that could have made the fire more difficult to control. Fires involving lithium ion batteries are particularly difficult to extinguish.
2. Last week. K Line, the company that chartered the Fremantle Highway said on Friday that it was carrying far more electric vehicles than initially reported by the coastguard.Company spokesman Pat Adamson said the ship was carrying a total of 3,783 new vehicles, including 498 electric vehicles, including Mercedes-Benz.
Posted on 30/07/2023 23:14
And how many of those fires have actually been attributed to the EVs on the ships in question? Definitely not the second so far. It’s still on fire and no root cause has been identified as far as I am aware? Was the first attribute to an EV fire, or was it another unexplained fire on a ship in which some EVs happened to be involved?
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JohnM20 replied on 31/07/2023 08:52
Posted on 31/07/2023 08:52
Whilst fires actually started by the battery in an EV are recognised by the fire service and they have a strategy for dealing with them, what are the hazards if the car is involved in a fire started externally, eg parked in a garage at home and the house catches fire or vandalism / riots and the car is deliberately set fire to? Are batteries fireproofed against this type of fire?
I know these examples are very rare and I could have sighted other scenarios but I'm sure you get my drift. In these sorts of instances, would the fire service know that a car involved was an EV or will they be treating every fire involving a car as though it was?
Rufs replied on 31/07/2023 09:06
Posted on 30/07/2023 23:14 by ChocolateTreesAnd how many of those fires have actually been attributed to the EVs on the ships in question? Definitely not the second so far. It’s still on fire and no root cause has been identified as far as I am aware? Was the first attribute to an EV fire, or was it another unexplained fire on a ship in which some EVs happened to be involved?
Posted on 31/07/2023 09:06
You are correct it has not been identified as to what caused the fire on the Freemantle Highway, what is of concern is that there are reportedly 500 EV's onboard, far more than was first thought and it is the very large numbers involved which is the major concern, and the lack of expertise in dealing with what is probably today an unknown as far as tackling a blaze where 500 EV's are involved.
this is an interesting piece, you would have thought that if the vessel was known to be carrying EV's some precautions would have been taken to ensure the right substances were onboard to fight a possible fire, but if you expand this to the greater world, i wonder how many garages in the UK e.g. would have these special substances to hand in the event of an EV fire.
"Why is this fire so hard to put out?
The Fremantle Highway car carrier had around 3,800 new cars on board, including 500 electric vehicles. The lithium-ion batteries installed in these vehicles are extremely difficult to extinguish once they start to burn. The fire cannot be extinguished with water or by oxygen deprivation, as this carries a risk of explosion. Not only that, thermal processes can also cause fires spontaneously to reignite. Burning batteries must be extinguished with special substances that are often not to hand on ships like the Fremantle Highway."
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