PHEV/EV Charging

The idea of a dedicated point is set out in para 25. They mean an EV charger, as opposed to a 3 pin plug. I suppose the point being a 3 pin plug can be used for anything, but a dedicated EV charger (with a type 2 socket or lead) can only be used to charge a car. It removes ambiguity of resale for purposes other than car charging.

In 2014 we clarified that the MRP doesn’t apply to the reselling of electricity from dedicated EV charging infrastructure in domestic settings, but remains in effect if a standard plug and socket are used.

It must be a real problem for the Club trying to plan for what is coming down the line. I can envisage what will be required on each pitch is a 16 amp metered supply and an EV charge point. On the former point, members with PHEVs are now suffering from the Club's inaction and the latter will require a whole new infrastructure and is probably impossible, certainly in the near future..

Providing a couple of EV charge points on site will only be a stop gap solution.

peedee

I was thinking the same thing last night whilst reading all the various comments.

i don't see where there is going to be a huge influx of people buying EV cars until after the 2030 date most i have spoke to are aiming to buy new diesel cars just before production ends. So why can`t each site look to say upgrade 10 or so pitches with a dedicated charge point so EV and PHEV can book these dedicated pitches these can be charge point could be metered so they pay for what they actually use and not on an assumption of what they will use. These can be then upgraded to other pitches as the demand increases.

The only other issue i see for the coming years is do the sites have enough power coming in to cope with the much larger requirements this may also need to be upgraded at a huge cost i would think which will need to be passed onto the customer as always and then all of a sudden i am left thinking that in a few more years owning an EV will be no cheaper than owning a Diesel. 

i largely agree with you Winni1974 but I think the take up of electric vehicles is on the rise. The last year has seen reecord sales but probably not for towing just yet but it is coming. Difficult to say where costs will go, the Government has yet to decide how it will make up for the loss in taxes received from buying and using ICE vehicles.

peedee

This doesn't mitigate the CAMC's lack of planning and thought on the subject but other holiday providers are having problems with decision making too. I looked at Haven and they are asking people not to charge on the present systems and have made little provision to help.

Although it's very rare at the moment to see a full EV on site there are a lot of plug in hybrids around and the £9 surcharge is excessive.

I've noted that many CL owners ask site users not to charge cars.

There is a mixture of rising costs, lack of provision and forward thinking in these cases.

Due to the difficult world situation regarding energy provision we're at an unknown stage in undestanding how things will work out but it looks like electricity will be the main power provider in the UK. So whatever happens, if leisure vanning continues it will probably be mostly dependent on electricity. At present electrical supplies are supplemented by some usage of gas but I think this will probably change. 

I don't envy CAMC sorting this one out but they could start by encouraging EV use and discouraging wastage and pollution.

 

As per PeeDees comment, I think a couple of paid for chargers (at market rate) on the each site would be a very welcome stop-gap. This would allow a used of the point to pay for what they receive, nothing more or less, at a price that is open and justified. Now you can choose to pay £4 for 10kWh at 40ppkWh for a PHEV (for example), or £20 for 50kWh for an EV.  

I don't think any EV driver is trying to obtain their charge for free - just to pay an appropriate rate for the service being offered. As per alanandjean's perfectly sensible comment, if you need something, you tend to pay for it (and may pay more) than if its just a nice to have. What is frustrating about the CMC stance, is that a PHEV may use far less electricity than for example an electric heater used in an awning for a day, which is frowned upon but free. 

Long term - metered pitches may be the right way to go for the club, just to make us members aware of the energy we are consuming. 

I quite like winni's idea of a group of pitches that have either an EV charger, or a meter on each pitch, and make these bookable just a no-hookup pitch or no-awning or super-pitch are bookable - the only downside being the restriction in choice of pitch - but the trade off may be worth it. 

What is clear, is that kicking the can down the road is not a solution. 2030 is coming and the whole of the UK (the club included) need to come to terms with electric vehicles being the norm. 

"....i am left thinking that in a few more years owning an EV will be no cheaper than owning a Diesel."

But surely the switch from ICE to electric isn't about personal financial cost? It's about far bigger issues than a few quid. However, anyone who doesn't see taxes being raised to match those in place now for ICE vehicles is rather naive.

Sticking to the point in question.  I found the latest information about charging on sites HERE with details of the few sites which have charging provision.

I see the Cayton ones are on dedicated service pitches, so are there any public ones for general use?

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Yes, interesting (we've recouped our EV in six years and the carbon fibre bodywork will probably outlive us....) but this thread is about the cost of charging for those who already own an ev or hybrid.