Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

KeefySher replied on 30/05/2022 16:25

Posted on 27/05/2022 14:11 by ChocolateTrees

Goodluck Gabbleduck! 

I am sure you will have seen it, but take a look at Andrew Ditton's youtubes on his EV6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o5Bq6pGFOA

 

Posted on 30/05/2022 16:25

We have been following Andrew Ditton.

He explains things well.

Only thing not mentioned is cost to change from diseasel, the devils fuel we have been incentivised to buy by governments around the world, to the equivalent EV. In our case that is £130k, which buys an awful lot of the devil's fuel, probably beyond age/licence restrictions. How long is serviceable life of a better pack in relation to 500k miles and 15-20 years life of a diseasel power plant?

On ADs latest trip, comparing our next caravan trip, we wouldn't get to our destination as no charging points en route, nor on site when we get there.

That trip is for a sporting event, F1 GP, where thousands of vehicles will be heading, all if EV needing charging. Same as trying to go in peak holiday season where hordes will need charging every 80ish miles. Again we wouldn't make our overnight stop we plan to break the journey from the hordes, can't charge on site at intermediate stop or final destination.

Not our idea of a holiday trying to get charged up.

ChocolateTrees replied on 31/05/2022 11:39

Posted on 30/05/2022 16:25 by KeefySher

We have been following Andrew Ditton.

He explains things well.

Only thing not mentioned is cost to change from diseasel, the devils fuel we have been incentivised to buy by governments around the world, to the equivalent EV. In our case that is £130k, which buys an awful lot of the devil's fuel, probably beyond age/licence restrictions. How long is serviceable life of a better pack in relation to 500k miles and 15-20 years life of a diseasel power plant?

On ADs latest trip, comparing our next caravan trip, we wouldn't get to our destination as no charging points en route, nor on site when we get there.

That trip is for a sporting event, F1 GP, where thousands of vehicles will be heading, all if EV needing charging. Same as trying to go in peak holiday season where hordes will need charging every 80ish miles. Again we wouldn't make our overnight stop we plan to break the journey from the hordes, can't charge on site at intermediate stop or final destination.

Not our idea of a holiday trying to get charged up.

Posted on 31/05/2022 11:39

Hi KeefySher, 

You are absolutely right, it's still very expensive to buy a tow capable EV, especially if you are looking for large tow limit. But - the fact that you have even identified one that would suit your needs (all be it at an eye watering 130K) is a marked change from where we where 2 years or even 12 months ago. Out of interest what would that £130k tow car be for you? I assume its £130ish list new, so the question is how much more would it be over an equivalent brand new diesel today? That's often very hard to say, because EVs tend to be loaded with kit, and have very high performance. Not everyone wants 400hp and more toys than you can shake a stick at. 

On the battery life thing, there are teslas with over 300K miles going strong, but none 15-20 years old. The oldest are about 8. But 300K miles and 15 years should be in sight of all new EVs today, given the improvements in both thermal management, battery charge management and battery chemistry.

Yes - range is still an issue. At best expect something like 120-140 miles top out of a 77kWh tow car.  The Mustang EV has a 100kWh battery so might manage 150-160.

Where is your next trip planned? Sounds like the continent - and yes - when you get outside of western Europe, the chargers thin out a lot. Charging en-route is possible, but not always easy. Much easier with two when unhitching, one to charge and one to stay with the caravan. 

It's certainly not for everyone yet, but things are improving all the time :-)

 

replied on 31/05/2022 11:50

Posted on 30/05/2022 16:25 by KeefySher

We have been following Andrew Ditton.

He explains things well.

Only thing not mentioned is cost to change from diseasel, the devils fuel we have been incentivised to buy by governments around the world, to the equivalent EV. In our case that is £130k, which buys an awful lot of the devil's fuel, probably beyond age/licence restrictions. How long is serviceable life of a better pack in relation to 500k miles and 15-20 years life of a diseasel power plant?

On ADs latest trip, comparing our next caravan trip, we wouldn't get to our destination as no charging points en route, nor on site when we get there.

That trip is for a sporting event, F1 GP, where thousands of vehicles will be heading, all if EV needing charging. Same as trying to go in peak holiday season where hordes will need charging every 80ish miles. Again we wouldn't make our overnight stop we plan to break the journey from the hordes, can't charge on site at intermediate stop or final destination.

Not our idea of a holiday trying to get charged up.

Posted on 31/05/2022 11:50

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ChocolateTrees replied on 01/06/2022 16:18

Posted on 01/06/2022 16:18

AD - I think that's a little unfair. I towed 258 miles (as described in this thread) in one day with two stops. I could easily have towed 298 with the same 2 stops. Would it have taken longer than with an ICE? Probably (depending on your stops as an ICE driver). Would you have _only_ been able to tow 98 miles in one day? No. You might choose not to, but its not a hard limit. 

Is there a specific EV tow car that suits your caravan, or your specific use case? Maybe not (definitely not for you, as we have discussed in this thread), but thats a different question, and in that case, if you did not have a suitable tow car, you would be 298 miles up the road. 

 

 

Gabbleduck replied on 16/06/2022 10:48

Posted on 16/06/2022 10:48

Other than thanking people for helpful contributions or attempting to add useful contributions of my own, I rarely get involved with discussions on the internet. People are often entrenched in their own views and generally, I don't care what they think or do anyway :)

However, whether we like it or not, we are all going to be using EVs at some point. Discussions of range and charging are certainly interesting and helpful for planning, but the simple fact is, 300+ mile non-stop journeys towing a caravan will not be possible with an EV for a long time, if ever. There's no point complaining about this because there is literally no one listening who can do anything about it. Our only realistic solution is to change our expectations and then our behaviours.

People like CT have decided to take the plunge early. I find it both baffling and amusing that the reaction to their choice ranges from dismissiveness to outright hostility, although such reactions are notably less prevelant here. These early adopters are helping to pile pressure onto car manufacturers to consider the towing capabilities of their EVs which is something we will all benefit from eventually. They are also contributing towards the pressure on the caravanning industry, which seems to have buried its head in the sand :) And of course, all EV drivers are contributing to the push to install more chargers in more locations.

The efforts of this group benefit us all right now, because there are fewer polluting vehicles on the road. And they benefit us in the future because come the day we all have to tow with EVs, it will be far easier. I fail to see the benefit of doing anything other than encouraging and supporting them.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 16/06/2022 12:08

Posted on 16/06/2022 12:08

Some folk just don’t like change GD, it’s always been the same. Gladly they’re in the minority👍🏻

replied on 16/06/2022 15:14

Posted on 16/06/2022 10:48 by Gabbleduck

Other than thanking people for helpful contributions or attempting to add useful contributions of my own, I rarely get involved with discussions on the internet. People are often entrenched in their own views and generally, I don't care what they think or do anyway :)

However, whether we like it or not, we are all going to be using EVs at some point. Discussions of range and charging are certainly interesting and helpful for planning, but the simple fact is, 300+ mile non-stop journeys towing a caravan will not be possible with an EV for a long time, if ever. There's no point complaining about this because there is literally no one listening who can do anything about it. Our only realistic solution is to change our expectations and then our behaviours.

People like CT have decided to take the plunge early. I find it both baffling and amusing that the reaction to their choice ranges from dismissiveness to outright hostility, although such reactions are notably less prevelant here. These early adopters are helping to pile pressure onto car manufacturers to consider the towing capabilities of their EVs which is something we will all benefit from eventually. They are also contributing towards the pressure on the caravanning industry, which seems to have buried its head in the sand :) And of course, all EV drivers are contributing to the push to install more chargers in more locations.

The efforts of this group benefit us all right now, because there are fewer polluting vehicles on the road. And they benefit us in the future because come the day we all have to tow with EVs, it will be far easier. I fail to see the benefit of doing anything other than encouraging and supporting them.

Posted on 16/06/2022 15:14

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brue replied on 17/06/2022 13:22

Posted on 17/06/2022 13:22

Take a note from the past that each generation finds a way to enjoy things their own way.  Caravan history LINK

The future will always be unknown and different. smile

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