Cirencester Park access road

moulesy replied on 07/06/2020 16:26

Posted on 07/06/2020 16:26

We were out walking near Cirencester today so thought we'd divert to wander past the club site to see how things looked.

Well, not sure if this is good news or bad, but the access road has been diverted.. 

So - good news - for anyone with a pothole aversion - it's been resurfaced and the tarmac is now billiard table smooth (apart from the inevitable speed humps!)

Not such good news - instead of a long straight road with plenty of wide stretches to allow for units to pass it is now very narrow and winding, with large boulders each side at the entrance and just a couple of small lay bys for passing, so heaven help you if you meet another unit coming in or out.

I can't see any practical alternative to the "off by 12 and no arrivals before 1" arrangement. We'll just have to wait and see - well, not us obviously! wink

PATMAU replied on 17/06/2020 22:11

Posted on 17/06/2020 22:11

Well having watched the video on the access road this is one site I wont be visiting.  If the rocks were put there as a deterrent they have certainly worked on me.  

ErnieJH replied on 18/06/2020 09:11

Posted on 18/06/2020 09:11

I think the very least the club should do is to advise all members that as it stands the access road to this site is unsuitable for caravans (and possibly large MH) due to the very real danger of damage to their vans. This would give members who are not aware of this problem the opportunity to decide if they want to continue with their booking.

Frostipops replied on 18/06/2020 15:07

Posted on 18/06/2020 15:07

For those interested in the planning documentation I have listed the access routes here:

cotswold.gov.uk > VIEW PLANNING APPLICATIONS

There are 2 references 

19/02166/FUL shows documents from 7 Jun 2019 when the planning process started to 17 Dec 2019 when conditional approval was given requiring passing places to be incorporated.

I have copied here a section from the Case Officer Delegated Report dated 17 Dec 2019 where the Local Highway Authority have stated that a 3m width road with passing places would be adequate:

"The Local Highway Authority (LHA) has been consulted and visited the site. The private road is well used by caravans, vehicles and pedestrians. The existing arrangement places all users in to the same environment and the proposal seeks to separate pedestrians and cyclists from motor traffic for part of the lane, which, in this instance, is considered beneficial for the safety of pedestrians.

The LHA has had regard for the views of the third parties who have rights over the lane and have raised concern that the width of the proposed private road to be too narrow to accommodate caravans. However, the LHA considers that given the level of interference created by all the associated movements, there are no compelling grounds from other users of the lane that the provision of the route with a 3m width and passing places would not be acceptable.

Overall, the LHA has taken this into account and considers that the provision of passing places alongside the road to be sufficient to provide a safe and suitable access, having due
regard of the private nature of the road. Overall, the proposed development is considered to accord with Local Plan Policy INF4 and paragraph 108 of the NPPF."

20/10331/COMPLY shows a process which was started on 14 April this year and rapidly completed on 13 May, all during COVID lockdown! There is a detailed 18 page plan written by the College and it is in that where, on p7 it states that "The Caravan Club did not respond to invitations to this consultation". This is the document which shows compliance to the planning requirement for passing places.

replied on 18/06/2020 15:32

Posted on 17/06/2020 22:11 by PATMAU

Well having watched the video on the access road this is one site I wont be visiting.  If the rocks were put there as a deterrent they have certainly worked on me.  

Posted on 18/06/2020 15:32

 Same for me as well. I had booked it for 5 nights during a 30 day tour from mid April which was of course cancelled. We had not been there for a while and unlikely to visit in future with the present layout

Takethedogalong replied on 18/06/2020 15:51

Posted on 18/06/2020 15:51

Some of those rocks look very unstable. Imagine a child being crushed under one, it needs someone to do a good risk assessment. That might prompt a review of the rocks. They need embedding at the very least. 

 

Frostipops replied on 18/06/2020 16:01

Posted on 18/06/2020 15:07 by Frostipops

For those interested in the planning documentation I have listed the access routes here:

cotswold.gov.uk > VIEW PLANNING APPLICATIONS

There are 2 references 

19/02166/FUL shows documents from 7 Jun 2019 when the planning process started to 17 Dec 2019 when conditional approval was given requiring passing places to be incorporated.

I have copied here a section from the Case Officer Delegated Report dated 17 Dec 2019 where the Local Highway Authority have stated that a 3m width road with passing places would be adequate:

"The Local Highway Authority (LHA) has been consulted and visited the site. The private road is well used by caravans, vehicles and pedestrians. The existing arrangement places all users in to the same environment and the proposal seeks to separate pedestrians and cyclists from motor traffic for part of the lane, which, in this instance, is considered beneficial for the safety of pedestrians.

The LHA has had regard for the views of the third parties who have rights over the lane and have raised concern that the width of the proposed private road to be too narrow to accommodate caravans. However, the LHA considers that given the level of interference created by all the associated movements, there are no compelling grounds from other users of the lane that the provision of the route with a 3m width and passing places would not be acceptable.

Overall, the LHA has taken this into account and considers that the provision of passing places alongside the road to be sufficient to provide a safe and suitable access, having due
regard of the private nature of the road. Overall, the proposed development is considered to accord with Local Plan Policy INF4 and paragraph 108 of the NPPF."

20/10331/COMPLY shows a process which was started on 14 April this year and rapidly completed on 13 May, all during COVID lockdown! There is a detailed 18 page plan written by the College and it is in that where, on p7 it states that "The Caravan Club did not respond to invitations to this consultation". This is the document which shows compliance to the planning requirement for passing places.

Posted on 18/06/2020 16:01

Apology - REF ABOVE SHOULD READ 20/01331/COMPLY

SteveL replied on 18/06/2020 16:15

Posted on 18/06/2020 15:51 by Takethedogalong

Some of those rocks look very unstable. Imagine a child being crushed under one, it needs someone to do a good risk assessment. That might prompt a review of the rocks. They need embedding at the very least. 

 

Posted on 18/06/2020 16:15

Removal would be the best option, but I suppose embedding so they stick up the height of a curb and painting in reflective white paint, would be a significant improvement. Big job though. It would stop folk abusing the road edges. Wouldn't make the road any wider though, 3 metres is crazy.

harryb replied on 18/06/2020 16:19

Posted on 18/06/2020 16:08 by Freddy55

We’re due to visit on the 4th. I must admit I’m a bit apprehensive about it. I’ll let you know how it goes.

Posted on 18/06/2020 16:19

Given some of the replies on here you are braver than most.

Look forward to reading your thoughts on this debacle

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