Co 2

Fisherman replied on 21/09/2021 21:11

Posted on 21/09/2021 21:11

We seem to be spending vast amounts on storing, trapping and reducing co2. yet today we see that we are now generating the stuff to keep food on the supermarket shelves longer. Does any of this make sense?

brue replied on 23/09/2021 16:45

Posted on 23/09/2021 15:57 by Fisherman

Still does not answer the basic question. How can a large energy user not have a proper energy  contract and is the fuel price the real reason. Seems doubtful to me.

Posted on 23/09/2021 16:45

Contrary to views on here the problem is not exclusive to the UK.

JVB66 replied on 23/09/2021 17:23

Posted on 23/09/2021 16:45 by brue

Contrary to views on here the problem is not exclusive to the UK.

Posted on 23/09/2021 17:23

Many current problems that the UK media,fail to mention it seems (not good headlines)are worldwide 

Shortages of HGV drivers 

Vehicle production because of computer chip shortages

to name just two

Ps Siemans and a subsidery of SNCF have just put on line a high power cable via the Channel tunnel to sell us electricity ,as well as the one that has big problems at this time "a big fire" that comes ashore near Dover,which seems to make a bit of a farce about HMGs power supply credentials

 

LLM replied on 23/09/2021 17:26

Posted on 23/09/2021 15:57 by Fisherman

Still does not answer the basic question. How can a large energy user not have a proper energy  contract and is the fuel price the real reason. Seems doubtful to me.

Posted on 23/09/2021 17:26

What constitutes a "proper" energy contract?

Fisherman replied on 23/09/2021 20:19

Posted on 23/09/2021 20:19

One that doesnt rely on spot prices, but agreed over a reasonable period. Its the only way a manufacturer can predict its price for contracts agreed. Similarly they hedge against currency variations. Basic business practice.

LLM replied on 23/09/2021 21:20

Posted on 23/09/2021 21:20

Basis business practice and contracting includes for the protection of both or all parties, the provision to amend prices, suspend, terminate, and do a host of other things in exceptional circumstances. 

The massive and sudden rise in prices we have seen recently will have triggered some of those clauses. No amount of hedging can entirely cover such changes. For a limited period the larger companies can take the rises on the chin but those less well funded will and have, gone under.  Unless prices drop and/or we the customers foot the prices rises through our bills even the largest domestic providers are at risk.  

As an example if you read the small print included in the contract you signed with your supplier you will see examples of the type of clauses include to deal with exceptional circumstances.  If you are on a fixed price contract you will almost certainly find that it is not set in stone.  

Fisherman replied on 24/09/2021 09:33

Posted on 24/09/2021 09:33

Certainly agree in the domestic market as the contracts are written solely by the suppliers. More robust in the commercial sector.

Oneputt replied on 02/10/2021 22:51

Posted on 02/10/2021 22:51

Strange isn’t it, 2 weeks ago the press was full of CO2 shortages and that the world will fall apart.  No mention of CO2 for at least 7/8 days.  Perhaps the story didn’t have the desired effect so they, the press, started on about petrol shortages, that did have the desired effect so as they are on a roll they now pretend that Xmas will be cancelled.  The press need to take a more responsible attitude. 

Haven’t read anything in the main stream press that the new electric cables from Norway have been commissioned and switched on

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 03/10/2021 07:14

Posted on 02/10/2021 22:51 by Oneputt

Strange isn’t it, 2 weeks ago the press was full of CO2 shortages and that the world will fall apart.  No mention of CO2 for at least 7/8 days.  Perhaps the story didn’t have the desired effect so they, the press, started on about petrol shortages, that did have the desired effect so as they are on a roll they now pretend that Xmas will be cancelled.  The press need to take a more responsible attitude. 

Haven’t read anything in the main stream press that the new electric cables from Norway have been commissioned and switched on

Posted on 03/10/2021 07:14

Another bit of Fake news from the main stream media is-‘poultry will not be on Brit tables this Christmas, shortages already’. Asda has lots, Tesco has lots, freezer stores has lots. Yup OP they are indulging in control of the Lemmings. This can be easily countered by doing research, stop the mass manipulation. . .We have the answers👍🏻

brue replied on 03/10/2021 08:41

Posted on 03/10/2021 08:41

Doing research shows that many poultry farmers have cut back on the amount of stock they rear due to lack of seasonal processing workers. 

Our local farm has taken orders for turkeys but the order book is now closed.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 03/10/2021 09:12

Posted on 03/10/2021 08:41 by brue

Doing research shows that many poultry farmers have cut back on the amount of stock they rear due to lack of seasonal processing workers. 

Our local farm has taken orders for turkeys but the order book is now closed.

Posted on 03/10/2021 09:12

But it isn’t countrywide nor is it now so it can be planned going forward👏🏻

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