The future

malnik replied on 07/10/2020 22:04

Posted on 07/10/2020 22:04

I have been a member for 3 years now, I don't think i can continue my membership for the years ahead. As a young family i find this club not exactly "family friendly". More to the point, I have been looking at the make up of the people at the head of the table, the council members and commitee. 

We live in a diverse country and our nation is much better for that amazing diversity. Unfortunately the club seems to be a relic of the 70s, diversity seems to be something we as a club are unaware of. I'm sure they are all doing a great job but how can we go ahead without our club reflecting the make up of the country and the people they represent. Dont get me started on age groups being represented. I have no idea what ages everyone is, but i don't see young families represented and once again, they can't be ignored. Unless ofcourse the club is for elderly white people only. Again, this is no criticism of those people.

The easy answer is anyone can apply or put themselves forward. But the aptmosphere has to be right, it has to be friendly to people from other groups to be able to apply. Is it? What is the cub doing to encourage more diversity? Younger representation? It has to be more than just a token "anyone can apply". And this direction has to be from the leader, Mr Lomas.

On the basis of the above, I can't continue to be a member when it comes time to renew. 

kenexton replied on 08/11/2020 16:25

Posted on 08/11/2020 16:25

Like TDA I have memories of holidays on Club Sites from the mid sixties.Not sure when the Club began accepting MH units on their sites.Mum and Dad had : a Sprite Alpine,a Sprite Musketeer and then three VW Devons,two Awards and then a Burstner T610 MH .I can remember using the VWs on Club sites in the late sixties but not precise years-perhaps someone may be able to confirm the time of MH acceptance?

I was 14 in 1968 I can dimly remember using Club sites with the VW on one Summer holiday.

You do not log dates when the Future seems limitless unlike now when the light at the end of this particular tunnel might be an oncoming train?

JVB66 replied on 08/11/2020 20:12

Posted on 08/11/2020 14:54 by Doug n San

We too have been a member for 3>4 years and I don’t use the sites very often, until the virus came we spent the winter 6 months in Spain and Portugal. we mainly use the club for friends and family visits when local parking is not available.  But we are thinking of dropping out.

When we were stuck in Portugal because the Spanish had closed the boarders I tried to use the club to get info and help but I got nothing!

Posted on 08/11/2020 20:12

Interesting comment as it is not what a large number of members found when they thought they were stuck "over there"?

DSB replied on 09/11/2020 01:32

Posted on 08/11/2020 14:54 by Doug n San

We too have been a member for 3>4 years and I don’t use the sites very often, until the virus came we spent the winter 6 months in Spain and Portugal. we mainly use the club for friends and family visits when local parking is not available.  But we are thinking of dropping out.

When we were stuck in Portugal because the Spanish had closed the boarders I tried to use the club to get info and help but I got nothing!

Posted on 09/11/2020 01:32

Really surprised by this.  We haven't been over the Europe for a few years, but in the past, when we have had a problem, the CAMC travel insurance have always served us really well....

David

JohnM20 replied on 10/11/2020 10:00

Posted on 10/11/2020 10:00

Looking at it from a slightly different perspective, I think "those at the top" of the organisation are possibly there almost by default. Putting aside any financial aspect of caravanning, (in its broad sense of the word) it is those "at the top" that probably have, not only the time to be able to do the job but also, and importantly, the commitment. I'll probably be shot down in flames for saying this but the younger age groups don't appear to have the long term commitment of the older generation. This is probably partly because of family pressures to do other things and for those even younger they are starting out on a career. 

It's no secret that I'm involved with scouting and whilst we have very many dedicated younger leaders it is also a fact that many younger leaders don't stay the course, giving up after only a very few years. At one time leaders had to retire at 65 but this requirement had to be  removed as it was realised that the older leaders not only had a lot of experience to offer but they also didn't get fed up after a short time. Whenever there are policy meetings taking place it is always the older members that turn up for it.  We would dearly love younger people to take a more committed part but they seem to be few and far between. On this basis I assume, perhaps wrongly, that it is the same in many organisations.

scoutman replied on 10/11/2020 10:17

Posted on 10/11/2020 10:00 by JohnM20

Looking at it from a slightly different perspective, I think "those at the top" of the organisation are possibly there almost by default. Putting aside any financial aspect of caravanning, (in its broad sense of the word) it is those "at the top" that probably have, not only the time to be able to do the job but also, and importantly, the commitment. I'll probably be shot down in flames for saying this but the younger age groups don't appear to have the long term commitment of the older generation. This is probably partly because of family pressures to do other things and for those even younger they are starting out on a career. 

It's no secret that I'm involved with scouting and whilst we have very many dedicated younger leaders it is also a fact that many younger leaders don't stay the course, giving up after only a very few years. At one time leaders had to retire at 65 but this requirement had to be  removed as it was realised that the older leaders not only had a lot of experience to offer but they also didn't get fed up after a short time. Whenever there are policy meetings taking place it is always the older members that turn up for it.  We would dearly love younger people to take a more committed part but they seem to be few and far between. On this basis I assume, perhaps wrongly, that it is the same in many organisations.

Posted on 10/11/2020 10:17

I concur entirely

JVB66 replied on 10/11/2020 10:23

Posted on 10/11/2020 10:00 by JohnM20

Looking at it from a slightly different perspective, I think "those at the top" of the organisation are possibly there almost by default. Putting aside any financial aspect of caravanning, (in its broad sense of the word) it is those "at the top" that probably have, not only the time to be able to do the job but also, and importantly, the commitment. I'll probably be shot down in flames for saying this but the younger age groups don't appear to have the long term commitment of the older generation. This is probably partly because of family pressures to do other things and for those even younger they are starting out on a career. 

It's no secret that I'm involved with scouting and whilst we have very many dedicated younger leaders it is also a fact that many younger leaders don't stay the course, giving up after only a very few years. At one time leaders had to retire at 65 but this requirement had to be  removed as it was realised that the older leaders not only had a lot of experience to offer but they also didn't get fed up after a short time. Whenever there are policy meetings taking place it is always the older members that turn up for it.  We would dearly love younger people to take a more committed part but they seem to be few and far between. On this basis I assume, perhaps wrongly, that it is the same in many organisations.

Posted on 10/11/2020 10:23

Very true with what your post says ,

It is or was before covid very noticeable the age range of most who were willing to "get involved" and stay the distance,

Plenty of younger folk would "have their say" if there were any "problems?" but would not put themselves forward to be "on the committee" usual excuse was "did not have the time" (more likely commitment) as we older members agreed

The local councilors even tried diferent times and weekends for their surgeries to get residents to attend and combine with our neighborhood watch meetings we had free tea/coffee from pub landlord and snacks/cakes donated by our local Co op and still none of younger residents were interested 

i think at least two scout/youth groups have folded because they were unable to fill the leaders positions

Ps those who post on here who rally ,is it the same trying to keep centres going?

mbee1 replied on 11/11/2020 13:12

Posted on 11/11/2020 13:12

The club is a multi million pound business and I perfectly understand what the OP means.  I was on a site at half term but there were very few children.  I wondered why then realised how much I'd paid.  It's a wonder families can't afford some sites in school holidays.

Similarly there is always a plethora of "older" people there.  Now I'm getting on a bit (60) but some members would sooner look away than say "good morning" to you and they're nearly always the older members.

Rather than have the "club week" that was recently advertised, perhaps during school holidays the club should encourage families by making the fees more attractive by having, perhaps, some childrens activities for a couple of hours a day.  This won't appeal to many but it might encourage more younger members with children to go.  I'm not saying it should be at every site but, perhaps could be at targeted sites, leaving room for the "blue rinse and pearls brigade" (no offence intended) to go elsewhere.

Whilst I haven't specifically looked, does the club advertise for BAME staff as they are under represented and do they mention this when it comes to members being on the Board. Should there be a minimum numbers of places allocated to BAME and members under a certain age?

Should the Club look at its sites and consider allowing tents at more of them?  More younger people tent camp possibly due to the capital outlay of a caravan or MH.

I'm afraid the CCC isn't called "The Friendly Club" for nothing.  

replied on 11/11/2020 13:52

Posted on 11/11/2020 13:52

I'm afraid the CCC isn't called "The Friendly Club" for nothing.  

Why do they call themselves that then?

Rufs replied on 11/11/2020 16:16

Posted on 11/11/2020 16:16

Rather than have the "club week" that was recently advertised, perhaps during school holidays the club should encourage families by making the fees more attractive by having, perhaps, some childrens activities for a couple of hours a day. This won't appeal to many but it might encourage more younger members with children to go. I'm not saying it should be at every site but, perhaps could be at targeted sites, leaving room for the "blue rinse and pearls brigade" (no offence intended) to go elsewhere

Great idea, and a commercial site i visited recently did provide 2 hours entertainment in the evening e.g. 1800 - 2000, nothing OTT, they had story readers/tellers, kiddies magician, etc parents loved it as it kept the children occupied for a couple of hours and then it was off  for shower and bed. There was also a small mobile bar so parents could have an evening drink do a bit of socialising and keep their eyes on the children at the same time, all outdoors under a canopy. The site was family owned and i have found, from when we took the Gkids, that family run sites did seem to have a better understanding of what their campers wanted/needed, some of these sites are more expensive than club sites some on a par or cheaper so swings and roundabouts.

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