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Takethedogalong replied on 30/09/2021 14:05

Posted on 30/09/2021 14:05

I know that a lot of Members and Forum users are, like us Members of The National Trust. This October’s Trust AGM includes a Resolution to ban Trail Hunting on National Trust land, and as such I wanted to highlight this issue and bring it to the attention of any Trust Member who might not be aware.

Its not for me to urge anyone to make up their minds about which way to vote, if Members do choose to vote. There is a lot of information out on the internet on different websites in terms of what trail hunting is, how it is conducted, who controls it, and the myriad of issues surrounding it. Those of you who are Members will have received full details in the AGM literature included with your latest NT magazine, and how to vote either online, or by post. For information, and an easy option to make your vote count, below is the link to enable Members to vote securely. You will need to log in using your NT membership number.

https://secure.cesvotes.com/V3-1-0/nt21/en/login?bbp=30978&x=-1

I hope that like us, many will do the research, make an informed decision, and cast their vote accordingly. My post is merely to bring attention to this important issue, I have no intention of debating hunting on here, as I know it can get very emotive, and the last thing I want is this information to go missing. Others may want to discuss it, but please in that case, open a new thread😁

JVB66 replied on 01/11/2021 10:21

Posted on 01/11/2021 09:42 by DEBSC

I voted for the ban and I am neither a townie nor a woke. As a youngster I rode horses, but never hunted. At 12 and out with a friend we came across the Terrier men digging out a fox, which had been driven to ground. They told us to go right away, but as youngsters we just rode a little into the woods. They dug out the terrified animal and then threw it to the hounds, it was horrific. We should have done as we were told but it still would have happened. When the fox has reached its lair it should be left, this is not sport, it’s barbaric. More recently I have seen a young hind chased, when caught this was at least shot but by then it was dead on its legs. This is why I voted for the ban. Trail hunting was brought in to appease some MPs, some of the House of Lords and The Countryside Alliance, and to pretend to ban hunting. Sorry Takethedog this is discussing hunting which you asked us not to do. I apologise and will stop now.

 

 

Posted on 01/11/2021 10:21

There was a bit on television. a couple of weeks ago filmed by activists  showing how one hunt at least "disposed" of their old and injured hounds, it was barbaric how they did it 

JVB66 replied on 01/11/2021 10:35

Posted on 01/11/2021 10:28 by Fisherman
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Posted on 01/11/2021 10:35

I think as usual your blinkered ideas about inner cities?, ,the problems you think are not in your rural? areas, are just not yet making headlines , as they are in larger populated areas where the problems are more in the public eye than rural backwatersundecided

Takethedogalong replied on 01/11/2021 10:58

Posted on 01/11/2021 09:42 by DEBSC

I voted for the ban and I am neither a townie nor a woke. As a youngster I rode horses, but never hunted. At 12 and out with a friend we came across the Terrier men digging out a fox, which had been driven to ground. They told us to go right away, but as youngsters we just rode a little into the woods. They dug out the terrified animal and then threw it to the hounds, it was horrific. We should have done as we were told but it still would have happened. When the fox has reached its lair it should be left, this is not sport, it’s barbaric. More recently I have seen a young hind chased, when caught this was at least shot but by then it was dead on its legs. This is why I voted for the ban. Trail hunting was brought in to appease some MPs, some of the House of Lords and The Countryside Alliance, and to pretend to ban hunting. Sorry Takethedog this is discussing hunting which you asked us not to do. I apologise and will stop now.

 

 

Posted on 01/11/2021 10:58

No problem Debssc. I was hoping no discussion before the vote, as merely wanted folks to make their own minds up, but the vote is done now, so it’s a thread past it’s opening post.

I do respect the thoughts of others, and admit I find the history, etiquette and spectacle of a hunt riding out as a wonderful sight. We spent 22 fantastic years totally immersed in the equine way of life, from daily care of our own horse, helping others on the yard, going to shows sometimes twice a week, helping out at big International 3 day events, hosting the likes of David Broome, Ian Stark, John Lassiter, campaigning to make riding on local roads safer, keeping bridleways open, and occasionally if my stomach could stand it, helping our fantastic BHS welfare officer out. Our horse was stabled on a very pro hunt yard in his latter days, and kinder, more knowledgeable people would be harder to find. It’s simply the end product, the kill that I object to. 

Like Debscc, I saw the cruelty involved when I was a student on a big country estate, so it’s been an almost lifelong dislike on my part. Nothing to do with class, country v townie, wealth at all. As for part of our culture, our history, so was cock fighting, bear baiting, shoving small children up chimneys and treating women as property. Most of society has moved on.

Fisherman replied on 01/11/2021 11:35

Posted on 01/11/2021 11:35

Oh we have big problems in the countryside too. However we concentrate on these local things and not get involved, or tell  others, about things that we dont know enough about.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 01/11/2021 11:39

Posted on 01/11/2021 10:58 by Takethedogalong

No problem Debssc. I was hoping no discussion before the vote, as merely wanted folks to make their own minds up, but the vote is done now, so it’s a thread past it’s opening post.

I do respect the thoughts of others, and admit I find the history, etiquette and spectacle of a hunt riding out as a wonderful sight. We spent 22 fantastic years totally immersed in the equine way of life, from daily care of our own horse, helping others on the yard, going to shows sometimes twice a week, helping out at big International 3 day events, hosting the likes of David Broome, Ian Stark, John Lassiter, campaigning to make riding on local roads safer, keeping bridleways open, and occasionally if my stomach could stand it, helping our fantastic BHS welfare officer out. Our horse was stabled on a very pro hunt yard in his latter days, and kinder, more knowledgeable people would be harder to find. It’s simply the end product, the kill that I object to. 

Like Debscc, I saw the cruelty involved when I was a student on a big country estate, so it’s been an almost lifelong dislike on my part. Nothing to do with class, country v townie, wealth at all. As for part of our culture, our history, so was cock fighting, bear baiting, shoving small children up chimneys and treating women as property. Most of society has moved on.

Posted on 01/11/2021 11:39

Whilst you are posting facts TDA👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻, I will just let the users of the word ‘Woke’ know it isn’t a put down it’s something to be proud of. The Woke movement came about as a stand against racism & brutality but has grown to include anti sexism, homophobia, transphobia, & all things anti social & abusive. It is the way everyone should be to enjoy a better world👍🏻

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JVB66 replied on 01/11/2021 11:55

Posted on 01/11/2021 11:35 by Fisherman

Oh we have big problems in the countryside too. However we concentrate on these local things and not get involved, or tell  others, about things that we dont know enough about.

Posted on 01/11/2021 11:55

But that is where you keep going wrong,   many people have moved from the rural areas to find work, and also get away from outmoded practices that they were no longer prepared to endure

Takethedogalong replied on 01/11/2021 14:56

Posted on 01/11/2021 11:39 by Rocky 2 buckets

Whilst you are posting facts TDA👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻, I will just let the users of the word ‘Woke’ know it isn’t a put down it’s something to be proud of. The Woke movement came about as a stand against racism & brutality but has grown to include anti sexism, homophobia, transphobia, & all things anti social & abusive. It is the way everyone should be to enjoy a better world👍🏻

Posted on 01/11/2021 14:56

Agree Rocky. It’s a word sadly being highjacked as a stick to somehow beat others with, if they don’t agree with becoming more aware of how unfair and  outdated past prejudices and practises now are.
Racism, sexism, religious intolerance wasn’t something I was ever taught anything about at school, so I grew up not really understanding it. My first real encounter with being considered a second class human was at the hands of South Yorkshire Police, when I applied in 1980 to join the Police force. I got through all the physical and education tests, went along to my “big” interview. Little me and 20 male candidates. Guess who was last one in? By which time, two passing officers who stopped for a chat both informed me that SYP had their female quota and weren’t recruiting any more at the moment, so why not try the Met, they will take anyone! In I duly went for my interview.....needless to say, they weren’t recruiting women at that time, try the Met😡 I had a good job at the time, so gave up. (Had a lucky escape as it happened because steel strike, Miners Strike and Hillsborough all happened a few years later.) Once you have experienced such prejudice, it stays with you. Cannot imagine what some ethnic minorities, etc...have had to go through. The World, in some places is thankfully changing.

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