Leaving dogs unattended in van

richardandros replied on 14/07/2021 16:04

Posted on 14/07/2021 16:04

I was always under the impression that it was not allowed to leave dogs unaccompanied in your caravan whilst staying on Club sites.

We are currently on the NYM site, near Whitby and there is a poor dog barking and whining in the van next to us.  The owners went out this morning and given the experience of the last few days, are unlikely to be back until 1800 or so. It is clearly in distress - although how much is anyone's guess.

We have approached the wardens who are aware of the barking (the pitch is not far from the office) and told Ros, that the dog has been barking since the owners went out.  They had been told that it was being left on its own but had water and a bed and, in fairness, they have left all the roof lights open. It is nevertheless upsetting to have to listen to it. Mrs Warden also said that she was not aware of any rule preventing dogs being left on their own.

Having had a look at the CAMC leaflet - "Touring with Dogs" - it appears that she is correct:-

"Dogs can become anxious when lonely or uncomfortable. To minimise this, make sure
they have somewhere cool to relax, with good ventilation and access to an ample supply of drinking water if you do have to leave them for short times.
Where possible, please keep your dog with you, especially on hot days. A quick build-up of temperatures in cars, awnings, outfits or tents can be fatal to animals."

This isn't a complaint about barking dogs - my complaint, if I have one - is about inconsiderate owners who, in my opinion, are not fit to look after an animal.

Have the rules changed - and if so - why, because it doesn't seem fair to the dog!

 

SeasideBill replied on 27/07/2021 11:44

Posted on 27/07/2021 11:44

No sleight intended towards responsible owners of which I’m sure you are one as clearly demonstrated by your posts. However, I just wonder where all this obsessive and anti-social (imo) behaviour leads us? I find the notion that the rest us have to put up with the hum or clatter of a/c units purely to serve the needs and comfort of dogs quite bizarre and a bit troubling. Surely if the dog is so important to people, why lock them up all day in preference to taking them along with them? If that’s impractical for whatever reason then maybe camping is not the most suitable pastime?

I have a bit of a thing about peace and quiet - can’t get enough of it as far as I’m concerned. However, it’s becoming harder to find and this sort of situation is just another unnecessary intrusion into what I feel is my entitlement to tranquility.

moulesy replied on 27/07/2021 11:57

Posted on 27/07/2021 11:57

Agree with what you say about dogs, Bill.

But here's the thing - suppose during last week's very hot weather a family without dogs had decided to stay on site at Hillhead and, with no shade nearby, stay in the MH and take advantage of their AC - would that have provoked the same reaction?

richardandros replied on 27/07/2021 12:04

Posted on 26/07/2021 21:56 by SeasideBill

It was intended as a wry observation of a ludicrous situation. đŸ¤ª

What next? Doggie Day Care units on club sites to keep them amused for absent owners?

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:04

We've actually taken advantage of just that Bill - but not on a Club site!.  We were staying on a small commercial site just outside Pickering a few years ago.  One of the reasons for being there was to attend our dear friend's 80th birthday celebration at the Forest & Vale Hotel in Pickering - across one lunchtime.  Not only did the owner's wife give us a lift to the hotel but they also looked after Meg for the afternoon.  What lovely ownerssmile

SeasideBill replied on 27/07/2021 12:14

Posted on 27/07/2021 11:57 by moulesy

Agree with what you say about dogs, Bill.

But here's the thing - suppose during last week's very hot weather a family without dogs had decided to stay on site at Hillhead and, with no shade nearby, stay in the MH and take advantage of their AC - would that have provoked the same reaction?

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:14

What if the world stopped turning….we could go on.

Not much of a holiday…staying cooped up in an air conditioned box. Now that would be a dogs life!

moulesy replied on 27/07/2021 12:19

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:19

My point is, as I'm sure you realise, is it the AC use and it's accompanying noise which you object to or the fact that dogs are involved?  undecided

SeasideBill replied on 27/07/2021 12:25

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:19 by moulesy

My point is, as I'm sure you realise, is it the AC use and it's accompanying noise which you object to or the fact that dogs are involved?  undecided

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:25

It’s very simple, the inconsiderate owners choose to bring an animal into an unsuitable and potentially dangerous environment. In order to mitigate that problem, others are subject to unnecessary inconvenience. Not exclusively about dogs, could be a parrot or whatever,

Cornersteady replied on 27/07/2021 12:26

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:14 by SeasideBill

What if the world stopped turning….we could go on.

Not much of a holiday…staying cooped up in an air conditioned box. Now that would be a dogs life!

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:26

well asking if the world stopped turning is an unlikely event and one which you may not have any relevant personal experience or information or could even envisage to make an informed answer.

Asking you if suppose during last week's very hot weather a family without dogs had decided to stay on site at Hillhead and, with no shade nearby, stay in the MH and take advantage of their AC - would that have provoked the same reaction?

is certainty something that is within what you can envisage and could make a answer to?

JVB66 replied on 27/07/2021 12:27

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:14 by SeasideBill

What if the world stopped turning….we could go on.

Not much of a holiday…staying cooped up in an air conditioned box. Now that would be a dogs life!

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:27

With the position of HIllhead  the name may be a clue , we have used this site several times and there has been a breezeundecided

SeasideBill replied on 27/07/2021 12:38

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:26 by Cornersteady

well asking if the world stopped turning is an unlikely event and one which you may not have any relevant personal experience or information or could even envisage to make an informed answer.

Asking you if suppose during last week's very hot weather a family without dogs had decided to stay on site at Hillhead and, with no shade nearby, stay in the MH and take advantage of their AC - would that have provoked the same reaction?

is certainty something that is within what you can envisage and could make a answer to?

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:38

I see, something less hypothetical like…… what if the a/c breaks down while the owner is out on a jolly somewhere and the animal dies of heat exhaustion?

moulesy replied on 27/07/2021 13:01

Posted on 27/07/2021 12:25 by SeasideBill

It’s very simple, the inconsiderate owners choose to bring an animal into an unsuitable and potentially dangerous environment. In order to mitigate that problem, others are subject to unnecessary inconvenience. Not exclusively about dogs, could be a parrot or whatever,

Posted on 27/07/2021 13:01

Bill, I'm really struggling to follw your reasoning here - agreed with all the points about not leaving animals.

My question, not difficult to answer surely, is would you object equally if the owners were using AC purely for their own comfort? The noise, presumably would be exactly the same. 

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