Booking Fees for the Honeypots

fatbelly replied on 24/01/2017 08:51

Posted on 24/01/2017 08:51

Hi, On Jan 2nd we tried to book 2 nights in December at one of the so called "honeypot sites" (Rowntree Park). But its fully booked for the whole year and I couldn't even find 1 night in December.  I like the CC policy of no fee when you book and think it should stay, but with a few site exceptions.

I've no doubt that as the year goes by a small number of people who have booked RP will just cancel with no penalty but  member's like myself who wish to book and will not cancel lose out.

What do people think about putting booking fees on the 2 or 3 honeypot sites to ensure that people who book uphold their booking. As I have said I think the overall policy of no booking fees for the vast majority of sites works and should be kept. 

petertr replied on 21/02/2017 11:55

Posted on 19/02/2017 17:35 by SteveL

As far as I can see what you propose is something that suits you better, not something that is necessarily fairer for all. You are never going to please all the people all of the time. Even when we worked we managed to sort things out and secured the bookings we wanted. Yes occasionally there would have to be compromises but that is just life. In my opinion the majority who moan that they can't get this that and the other, are simply not prepared to try.

Posted on 21/02/2017 11:55

So people who work, and who can't sit on the internet or the phone all morning "don't even try" eh?

Another sweeping statement with view to keeping the system that benefits those who don't work rather than being fair to all.

petertr replied on 21/02/2017 11:58

Posted on 19/02/2017 17:47 by Tinwheeler

Petertr, the CC treats us all the same. We are all equal. Can you not see that it is your personal circumstances which are causing you a problem? 

What you want CC to do is to change the system to suit you at this time. When your circumstances change, as they surely will one day, will you want CC to again change to something that suits you better?

Have you tried booking earlier?

Posted on 21/02/2017 11:58

Not at all.  I CAN actually sit on the phone or the internet all morning.

The current system is fine for me.  I just think about others as I'm not stupendously selfish.

I guess you didn't look at the Facebook page on booking day?  Dozens of posts from angry members who couldn't get the sites they wanted because they'd been booked during the day, when they were working.

 

Even more annoying was that if you called, you could make unlimited bookings - but on the website (which is more accessible for people at work who can open a browser more covertly), you were limited to one single booking before having to come out and go back in again - something that isn't usually done, but was put in place for this one day.

So online bookers were deliberately discriminated against as well.

 

Yet its "me" who has the problem.  lol

petertr replied on 21/02/2017 12:03

Posted on 19/02/2017 18:26 by moulesy

Peter- we've all been there in the past - even us retired old fogeys worked at one time. But instead of throwing in the towel we worked round the system, and, yes, if that meant not getting our first choice of CC sites we'd look for an alternative.

But there are a lot of willing helpers on here; if you could give us some idea of where and when you want to go (but apparently are unable to at the moment) I bet we could come up with any number of alternative suggestions for you. Seems a bit "cutting off your nose to spite your face" if you're leaving the club simply because you can't get one particular booking.

Posted on 21/02/2017 12:03

Again, not at all.  I'm representing the views of countless disappointed/angry people on the facebook posts from booking day.

I'm not missing any booking whatsoever - I made the choice last year to take a seasonal pitch in 2017, and I am booked up and paid.

I'm just angry at CC because they said they'd listen to those of us who work, but then have publically stated (mentioned in this thread) that there were no suggested alternatives - when I saw a number of alternatives suggested.  They've clearly stonewalled those who were complaining.

The club doesn't seem to appreciate that its driving people away, in droves.  And the members who are benefiting from the current rules are all too happy to turn a blind eye to fairness, and respond with thinly-veiled insults and ridicule as per the above responses that I've quoted.  Rather sad, and not the "friendly" club that the CC would like to project itself to be.

petertr replied on 21/02/2017 12:07

Posted on 19/02/2017 18:29 by

Maybe it was passed on and they thought it to be a bad idea as indeed I do.

Posted on 21/02/2017 12:07

If they rejected ALL of the ideas that were discussed on the facebook page, then fine - but say "we considered members' suggestions, but so far have not found anything we believe will help".  Then FINE.  But they've said "there are no suggested alternatives".  Which is a lie.

petertr replied on 21/02/2017 12:08

Posted on 19/02/2017 21:44 by mickysf

No matter how we tinker with the possibilities a site which appears full all the time will remain thus!

Posted on 21/02/2017 12:08

Absolutely true.  And emphasises why these popular sites should be be accessible equally to all members, and not just those who can sit on the telephone on booking day.

Why should one group of people be given priority access to the most-popular sites?

petertr replied on 21/02/2017 12:12

Posted on 20/02/2017 14:16 by Wildwood

Even the drip feed of say a week or two or even a month does not work if you want to book from one period into the next. Basically you would have to book as far as the system would let you go and then hope you could then get the rest of the booking when the next period was released. The shorter you make the period between releases the worse the problem becomes.

As an example if the release period was a month and you wanted the last week in July and the first in August you would book the first week in July and then have to hope you beat the rest to the August dates.

There is simply no answer to this problem that will suit everyone or possibly even the majority.

Maybe if there is a problem with people booking several weekends on the first day, that day could be limited to one booking per site on the first day and then the free for all on the next. 

Posted on 21/02/2017 12:12

I already addressed this in 2 ways earlier in this thread

1 - I'm not saying I, personally, have all the answers.  Other people on the facebook page made interesting suggestions too

2 - In the situation you described, I suggested that the booking period would apply only to the first day of any continuous stay.  So if you wanted to book 14 days, then that would be fine.

 

And to repeat something else I suggested - any changes that could be made could be pilotted to drive out any other "bugs".

tenderfoot14 replied on 21/02/2017 12:28

Posted on 24/01/2017 08:51 by fatbelly

Hi, On Jan 2nd we tried to book 2 nights in December at one of the so called "honeypot sites" (Rowntree Park). But its fully booked for the whole year and I couldn't even find 1 night in December.  I like the CC policy of no fee when you book and think it should stay, but with a few site exceptions.

I've no doubt that as the year goes by a small number of people who have booked RP will just cancel with no penalty but  member's like myself who wish to book and will not cancel lose out.

What do people think about putting booking fees on the 2 or 3 honeypot sites to ensure that people who book uphold their booking. As I have said I think the overall policy of no booking fees for the vast majority of sites works and should be kept. 

Posted on 21/02/2017 12:28

My attraction to the club over the years used to be the "Get up and go" that is no longer possible it seems and I hate pre planned holidays in caravans, can't dodge the weather for one and the sense of last minute adventure/choice.   Most of my site visits are in Scotland and it seems to me that the lack of sites is a problem here,  more sites more choice and less over crowding/ full notices.   The club seem to be following money making mantra again.   

cyberyacht replied on 21/02/2017 15:11

Posted on 21/02/2017 15:11

Never mind. The sleeves are velvet, the cape is ermine The hose are blue and the logo is a lovely shade of green.

SteveL replied on 21/02/2017 16:21

Posted on 21/02/2017 11:55 by petertr

So people who work, and who can't sit on the internet or the phone all morning "don't even try" eh?

Another sweeping statement with view to keeping the system that benefits those who don't work rather than being fair to all.

Posted on 21/02/2017 16:21

I am not really concerned what system the CMC adopts, I will happily work with it. As I said we used to work and managed. If folk are that bothered about getting a date they will put in the effort. They can even get a retired relative or friend to book it for them, there is no payment or credit card info required. Unfortunately work is a fact of life, whatever day you change it to, or whatever system you adopt you are going to disadvantage someone. For all its faults the current system gives everyone on the button the same chance on booking day. Clearly at the moment, the new fresh, go getting rebranded club are content to remain with it.

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