Club EV charging costs

That is a real leap of fairth CT, many will be interested to know how you get on, please let us know.

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That is a real leap of fairth CT, many will be interested to know how you get on, please let us know.

Not so much - I still have the PHEV V60 in case its needed, but intend to fully embrace the BEV + Caravan combo if its possible. I have a few long weekends planned and then will see how it works with charging and longer trips.  But will keep this thread updated!

Wouldn’t do for me as like to do about 200 miles or 4 hours before a stop. 

You may need the 2hr  break when you come to recharge as I was having this discussion with the owner of a BMW ( can't remember the exact model),He was getting around 90mls towing before needing a recharge then came the problems,1 getting on to a charging point,  2 had to unhitch caravan and leave parked up because charging point could only accommodate vehicle, 3 if the services was a one way system he had to go to next junction turn round and collect caravan. And he was doing a 360 mile journey which was going to turn out to be a long day.

Are the club also going to install petrol and diesel pumps to save the majority of us from having to find a filling station? I think not, nor do I expect them to.  I'll stick with my 4.2 litre V8 turbo diesel. No problem going up hills (even very steep ones). It can even tow a 747.......

The whole concept of electric vehicles as a solution for emissions is nuts, when taking into account all the factors in constructing them.

VW carried out an in depth study, and concluded that you would need to run an EV for 80k miles before its OVERALL emissions fell below a standard ICE car. Fact. And how many people do that? 

Also, there is no doubt that the currently unspoken issue of tax on EV''s will arrive soon.

Greta and her acolytes (including HMG) are just not being honest. Bandwagon - jump on it.

I'll sit back now and wait for the howls of protest.

You really have not the slightest idea of how a hybrid work, especially a PHEV, I will try to explain but I have suffered a brain injury a few years ago, but I will do my best.

A  ICE vehicle is only 40% efficient, a hybrid like the latest Toyota RAV4 will harvested any energy wasted energy for every 3 miles ICE mode you will gain approximately 1 mile EV rain, this can and is used to power the hybrid.

A PHEV as per Hybrid has the ability to charge up using the main electricity and a considerable larger battery to call on, even in Charge/ Save mode the PHEV will harvest any wasted energy. A conventual ICE vehicle runs at varying throttle opening air speed between 80 - 110 m/s, the PHEV ICE unit runs at fixed at the most efficient air speed, any excess torque is used to charge up the batteries. 

A PHEV travelling downhill especially with a caravan in tow, the batteries are being charged up by the front and rear motors, in our case 60 kW and 70 kW, travelling back up hill the rear 70 kW kicks in and assist the ICE unit.

Now hears the rub, VW are two faced, I read somewhere the other day, they don't thing the current proposed emission targets are strict enough.

"Are the club also going to install petrol and diesel pumps to save the majority of us from having to find a filling station? I think not, nor do I expect them to."

Nor would I. But the club has already installed chargers in Brighton, and every location with a hookup is capable of charging an EV. That is one of the nice things about EVs - you can charge them pretty much anywhere there is civilisation. 

"I'll stick with my 4.2 litre V8 turbo diesel. No problem going up hills (even very steep ones). It can even tow a 747......."

Jolly good. My 408Hp, 600Nm EV can too. See you when you get to the top. 

"The whole concept of electric vehicles as a solution for emissions is nuts, when taking into account all the factors in constructing them.

VW carried out an in depth study, and concluded that you would need to run an EV for 80k miles before its OVERALL emissions fell below a standard ICE car. Fact. And how many people do that?"

Or if you compare a Polestar 2 and a Volvo XC40 (same chassis), the payback period is as little as 50K, (30,000 miles) or less than 3 years (read here). And that is just counting tailpipe CO2 emissions, not the emissions created from actually making diesel or petrol (about 30% more for petrol or 24% more for diesel) (read here). So payback is closer to 22,000 miles or less than 2 years. 

"Also, there is no doubt that the currently unspoken issue of tax on EV''s will arrive soon."

Sure the government is going to have to close the gap on revenues from drivers. The proposed plan? -  Road charging. I.e. a fee that all drivers will have to pay on top of the tax on their car or fuel. Outside of the purchase costs (which are in some cases comparable and others still high, but falling), if you think that the cost of using an EV will ever be more than that of using an ICE car, you are kidding yourself. 

My reason for "going green" and buying an EV? A mix, but the over-riding factor is economics. Over the next 4 years running a band new 400Hp Polestar 2 is going to cost me about the same ask keeping my 12 year old XC90 would have done. No brainer...

…..but you have to buy the new car so there is a cost.🤷🏻‍♂️

 But is 12 year old needed replacing anyway.

I have too admit Chocolate Trees, has made a very brave decision, but is willing to make some compromises to how they will caravan, if in the same position would I do the same, probably not quite just yet, but I think we are getting there.

I have gone down the halfway route and now tow with a PHEV, am I happy yes, would I go back to a conventual ICE, no change, I am saving an absolute fortune my fuel costs have dropped dramatically, in the past 11 months enough for 4 weeks away in the caravan.