February Magazine - Nick Lomas EVs

RollerMan181 replied on 29/01/2021 12:55

Posted on 29/01/2021 12:55

I started to read the Nick Lomas' article published in this month’s magazine regarding the transition towards electric vehicles with scepticism at first. Having owned two electric vehicles for over 4 years, I have seen so much biased reporting by ill informed journalists or in journals with “other” agendas that are clearly out to recredit EVs, that I thought here we go again.

So it started off well, then I got to the bombshell. The article states that running costs are lower and implies that, this will go a long way to offset the initial costs of purchase.  Very true, in my case, the cost of the lease and low charging costs mean that I can run an EV for much less than that of a comparable petrol or diesel car. Then he states that it costs £20 to charge “at home”!  Where on earth did he get that figure from? Well done he just may have alienated thousands of potential people thinking about converting to an EV.

Please find below the true cost of charging at home on an Economy 7 tariff

KIA SOUL EV (30KWh battery). To charge from 50% to 100%  will give a total range of 130 miles in summer, 100 miles in winter)

DAY RATE £2.47 plus vat @5%

NIGHT RATE £1.59 plus vat @5%

The latest KIA SOUL EV, (64KWh battery) for comparison will do more than twice the range, so to charge from 50% to 100% :-

DAY RATE £5.28 plus vat @5%

NIGHT RATE £2.97 plus vat @5%

I have Economy 7 tariff and additionally I have solar panels, so when the sun is shining, any excess electricity goes in to my car. So I can charge for free sometimes. Even at Public chargers that charge 30p per KW, I’ve never got anywhere near paying £20. Last year I did 10k miles for less than £300.

So to allow people to make informed decisions,  could you please add a correction in next month's magazine.

 David Bell

Moved from the Story Section

JVB66 replied on 16/02/2021 18:50

Posted on 16/02/2021 18:01 by Rocky 2 buckets

It’s a pity you aren’t at the heart of Govt because-industry, tech leaders, scientists & World Govts are convinced it is achievable & will work🤷🏻‍♂️what do they knew eh?🙄. You wait till Joe Biden reads your post JV he’s gonna feel such a fool pumping $Trillions into Planet friendly vehicles in America.

Posted on 16/02/2021 18:50

As you say in your post ref j biden and I posted the infrastructure investment needed will  make what the world if thats what you are inferring is going to make the money spent so far on the current pandemic pale into insignificance cool

JVB66 replied on 16/02/2021 18:56

Posted on 16/02/2021 18:22 by trellis

What a strange reply to what was just an observation !.and where did the "embracing smoke belching killer cars "come from?. I'm actually fully in favour of EV 's .

Posted on 16/02/2021 18:56

If I am still around when EVs become a viable alternative to what most are used to now  I would willingly have one ,although they will be no cheaper to run by then ;  as all governments struggle to balance the books with the loss of fossil fuels revenuesurprised

brue replied on 16/02/2021 19:18

Posted on 16/02/2021 16:47 by JVB66

Your EV being a Small BM with range extender? Or has that changedinnocent

 I have read several "real world " tests ,and if commercial vehicles conversions are going to be Evs then they will need very big batteries to make them viable for other than local journeys as the last thing companies will want is downtimes with their vehicle to be charged,

Amazon are making big play they are using EVs but they do not advise of the add vehicles they have had to purchase, to make it possible to keep their drivers working by changing to a ready charged vehicle

Posted on 16/02/2021 19:18

Has what changed JVB? Our EV is a very successful design. EVs run on a series of batteries. The batteries can be charged very quickly at rapid charge points. We are lucky enough to have a REX (range extender) which can top up the batteries when needed, however most of the time the REX isn't in use at all. The REX design doesn't fit in with the concept of conserving fossil fuels so this has been discontinued. But read HERE for further "real world" information about what is going on in BMW EV development.

Some companies, you mentioned Amazon, are indeed using electric vehicles where they are viable, as developments increase you will see an increase in this usage, it's not an experiment it's a reality.

 

JVB66 replied on 16/02/2021 19:39

Posted on 16/02/2021 19:18 by brue

Has what changed JVB? Our EV is a very successful design. EVs run on a series of batteries. The batteries can be charged very quickly at rapid charge points. We are lucky enough to have a REX (range extender) which can top up the batteries when needed, however most of the time the REX isn't in use at all. The REX design doesn't fit in with the concept of conserving fossil fuels so this has been discontinued. But read HERE for further "real world" information about what is going on in BMW EV development.

Some companies, you mentioned Amazon, are indeed using electric vehicles where they are viable, as developments increase you will see an increase in this usage, it's not an experiment it's a reality.

 

Posted on 16/02/2021 19:39

As posted before when EVs become a viable alternative to ICEs With real infrastructure to enable their use as now with ICEs ,then if around will be more than in the market for onewinkcool

StuartL replied on 16/02/2021 20:23

Posted on 16/02/2021 20:23

The above comments on EV's make interesting reading. However it would appear that very few are from people who actually tow a caravan with an electric vehicle . I was hoping to see some figures on range and ease of recharging with a caravan in tow.

My present(diesel) car will tow my caravan 300 miles before I must stop and spend five minutes refueling. How long will it be before there is an EV which will do this and will be affordable.

There must be many caravanners who think as I do that caravanning will no longer be viable either because such a  vehicle would be unaffordable or being unable to to travel to remote sites conveniently without regular protracted recharging stops always assuming an available charger of the correct type can be found and which can be accessed with a caravan in tow. 

This could clearly have an adverse effect on club membership numbers and even the viability of the club. I am sure that the club is only too aware  of these problems but I cannot see a solution at present. Of course there will no doubt be a surge in sales of petrol or diesel vehicles in 2029 but, unless there are some rapid technical developments in, for example, a cobalt60 battery technology and which can be installed in a road vehicle (assuming motorists would be happy to have a gamma ray source in the boot) this merely delays the problem for another few years, fortunately when I will probably be occupying a pitch at that great big site in the sky. . 

    

 

 

 

Navigateur replied on 16/02/2021 21:35

Posted on 16/02/2021 21:35

The dates keep being changed, but presently around the time that the sale of new internal combustion engined vehicles will be prohibited there is also a ban on the production of steel.  So what will the battery vehicles be constructed from?  Cannot use plastics, and even use of wood is becoming frowned upon.

nelliethehooker replied on 16/02/2021 21:44

Posted on 16/02/2021 21:35 by Navigateur

The dates keep being changed, but presently around the time that the sale of new internal combustion engined vehicles will be prohibited there is also a ban on the production of steel.  So what will the battery vehicles be constructed from?  Cannot use plastics, and even use of wood is becoming frowned upon.

Posted on 16/02/2021 21:44

If steel production is stopped world wide how are vehicles of any sort going to be built, never mind bridges etc? Or is it just in the UK that steel production will cease?

Navigateur replied on 17/02/2021 09:09

Posted on 17/02/2021 09:09

I suspect it will actually just be in Wales as the rest is pretty well gone already.  There is an argument in favour of the new deep coal mine in Cumbria that its output is needed for producing coking coal for steelmaking in Wales.  

Not read anything about concrete though.  Making cement is also a huge producer of flue gasses due to the high temperature drying involved, and one needs cement as well as steel to make concrete.

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