Interesting Petition Part 2

MichaelT replied on 14/08/2018 09:59

Posted on 14/08/2018 09:59

Due to the premature closure of the original thread I am opening a new one.  I received the following email form 38 degrees/Mark Bevan today and I think the response form C&MC is broadly in line with our comment on here so perhaps someone from HQ does read these threads after all smile  Mark has even added the link to the closed thread so perhaps he also did read it but declined to comment, pity it was closed also!! 

 
Dear supporters,

Monday 13 August update, the petition hit 2.5k signatures, thank you. I received an email from the C&MC last Thursday, who are aware of the petition. The email from the clubs  Public Affairs & Corporate Communications Manager contained an interesting paragraph that I would like to share with you:

"There is arguably scope and demand for another level of stopover, along the lines of a French Aire. However, the establishment of these would have a cost, and there would be planning approval challenges and UK safety requirements (minimum fire safety separation distances for instance) to overcome. It’s worth debating whether the provision of such facilities should be the responsibility of an organisation like the Club, or whether local authorities should provide them (as is the case in some other countries – France and Australia, for instance). There are already some examples of this in the UK, although some of them operate without compliance with the safety separation distances that those same local authorities would insist on if site operators like the Club were to set them up."

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JayEss replied on 17/08/2018 17:34

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:32 by Morris Traveller

Yes, would be interesting if you report your findings.

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:34

Don't expect anything too quickly sealed

 

mhparking replied on 17/08/2018 17:35

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:25 by JayEss

It's still described as dedicated motorhome parking.

 I'm not terribly interested in layman documentation at this stage. I'm looking for the committee reports and anything that led to the decision to set it up in the first place. 

I might put it forward for a technical study for a planning law group I'm in. Could be interesting.  

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:35

You should be able to obtain any such documents using a FoI Request.

Morris Traveller replied on 17/08/2018 17:37

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:34 by mhparking

Whenever (and wherever) the use of a caravan (motorised or towed) includes human habitation then the definitions in the 1960 Act are met and, in law, it can not be simply parking.

At Canterbury the council is fully aware that it is not just parking because the facility was deliberately set up in that way.

As pointed out earlier, the model scheme is just that. Canterbury City Council has decided that the spacing in place is sufficient for that location. As also pointed out earlier, should disaster happen then they may have to justify the validity of that decision.

As an aside, the one time we stayed there (about 45 hours including two nights) I felt perfectly safe.

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:37

That's good to read. We have considered staying there when using the Tunnel, but have yet to do so.

cyberyacht replied on 17/08/2018 17:38

Posted on 17/08/2018 16:03 by peedee

Seems to me it would depend on the L.A. and you wouldn't know without asking for planning permission and then I suspect it would depend on what the local fire brigade required. If the original model was drawn up in 1960 it should now at least be  re-examined to take into account the increased use of motorhomes.

peedee

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:38

One wonders about the flammability of motorhomes/caravans compared with fifty odd years ago, although from the photos one sees of such conflagrations, current materials seem as combustible now as then. Perhaps manufacturers need to pay more attention to this after all we now have fire retardant furnishings.

JayEss replied on 17/08/2018 17:44

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:35 by mhparking

You should be able to obtain any such documents using a FoI Request.

Posted on 17/08/2018 17:44

Gosh really?  Never thought of that laughingwink

Actually I was resisting going for a FOI request because it always draws attention to something and I usually prefer to find out as much as I can through reports, journals, appeal decisions etc first. 

Althougb in all honesty it's Friday, I've had a busy week and I'll never be using the spaces so I might just forget all about it and pour myself a large one 

replied on 17/08/2018 18:50

Posted on 17/08/2018 11:49 by Morris Traveller

I realise that. I was just commenting on the post which provided a link to other petitions and suggesting a reason as to their lack of success.

However, I still think that to send a petition to a Club expecting them to act, with no real research to back up a request is not likely to be met with an enthusiastic response.

I'd love to see a network of Aires here. How that could be achieved without some well researched facts to present to interested parties  is hard to see.

I am of the mind that the Club does not cater for motorhoming in the way we can experience it elsewhere. There are claims that we are all "equal". Perhaps. But only if motorhomers "camp" as caravanners do??? I don't think the name change signifies much. As such, we caravan here; motorhome in Europe.

Posted on 17/08/2018 18:50

I am of the mind that the Club does not cater for motorhoming in the way we can experience it elsewhere. There are claims that we are all "equal". Perhaps. But only if motorhomers "camp" as caravanners do??? I don't think the name change signifies much. As such, we caravan here; motorhome in Europe.

All are equally welcome to use what the Club and CLs provide. The name change is simply to clarify that

Morris Traveller replied on 17/08/2018 18:52

Posted on 17/08/2018 18:06 by Tinwheeler

Mmm, I was hoping to be interested in your response to my earlier question, MorrisT. I guess you have no answer.frown

Posted on 17/08/2018 18:52

To what? Sorry, have I missed something?

Morris Traveller replied on 17/08/2018 19:07

Posted on 17/08/2018 18:50 by

I am of the mind that the Club does not cater for motorhoming in the way we can experience it elsewhere. There are claims that we are all "equal". Perhaps. But only if motorhomers "camp" as caravanners do??? I don't think the name change signifies much. As such, we caravan here; motorhome in Europe.

All are equally welcome to use what the Club and CLs provide. The name change is simply to clarify that

Posted on 17/08/2018 19:07

Fair enough. But the Club does not offer what we like as motorhomers; so we use the Club sites as caravanners. We are lucky enough to have both a motorhome and a caravan - as well as a tent lurking somewhere (but that gets little, or no, use nowadays).

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