Climate Change-The Truth

mickysf replied on 18/04/2019 07:21

Posted on 18/04/2019 07:21

This TV program views tonight and is presented by David Attenborough. A very serious subject by all accounts and possibly one we should all watch. I guess much of that discussed will impact seriously on the future of the pastime we currently and collectively enjoy. 

Cornersteady replied on 20/04/2019 15:52

Posted on 20/04/2019 15:52

It happened before ? 

Yes, the programme showed changes since the beginning of industrialisation well over 100 years ago.

you're talking too narrow a timescale, heating and cooling cycle have been happening for many thousands of years, it could be argued that 100 years is not really a long enough time frame to ascertain anything?

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat.

The Earth’s climate does go through natural cycles of warming and cooling

During the rise of mammals, Earth's temperatures spiked in a scary way that the planet may experience again soon.

So yes it has happened before, if we knew what stopped it then we could use that now? what is wrong with that?

Cornersteady replied on 20/04/2019 15:56

Posted on 20/04/2019 15:49 by brue

I'm not making further comments about CT Corners, you brought that up and I responded as best I could.

My first thoughts when I saw this thread were about what individuals might be doing to improve things, if they think they needed to or if they felt persuaded to by the information which is out there. Or not.

But the reality is that some things are going to be imposed on us because I guess we can't let go of the things that pollute. So we'll see higher taxes, more restrictions on fuel and various inducements to wean us off our present situation.

 

Posted on 20/04/2019 15:56

Ok, so if you think about what individuals might be doing, can I ask what you have done or plan to do, in an extremely polite way? Or are you saying you want to leave it to governments? That's fine by me, and I'll pay but what about those that can't?

Justus2 replied on 20/04/2019 16:06

Posted on 20/04/2019 15:52 by Cornersteady

It happened before ? 

Yes, the programme showed changes since the beginning of industrialisation well over 100 years ago.

you're talking too narrow a timescale, heating and cooling cycle have been happening for many thousands of years, it could be argued that 100 years is not really a long enough time frame to ascertain anything?

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat.

The Earth’s climate does go through natural cycles of warming and cooling

During the rise of mammals, Earth's temperatures spiked in a scary way that the planet may experience again soon.

So yes it has happened before, if we knew what stopped it then we could use that now? what is wrong with that?

Posted on 20/04/2019 16:06

Indeed corners, I understand that the earths climate has been through previous changes over millenia. But, carbon dioxide levels continue to increase, granted over the relatively short time scale of just over 100 years, and that just happens to be the same period of time when the burning of fossil fuels, ( first coal, then oil and gas )  has increased rapidly, and the same period of time where global deforestation has increased and removal of the very trees which consume the carbon dioxide has made global CO2 levels worse.

I'm no eco-warrior, nor am I a betting man, but for me the argument makes sense.

I can foresee a time, perhaps not in my lifetime, but maybe our children's lifetime, motoring as we know it disappearing and perhaps become, as it was in it's early years, an indulgence for the very rich, perhaps aviation too.

Cornersteady replied on 20/04/2019 16:33

Posted on 20/04/2019 16:06 by Justus2

Indeed corners, I understand that the earths climate has been through previous changes over millenia. But, carbon dioxide levels continue to increase, granted over the relatively short time scale of just over 100 years, and that just happens to be the same period of time when the burning of fossil fuels, ( first coal, then oil and gas )  has increased rapidly, and the same period of time where global deforestation has increased and removal of the very trees which consume the carbon dioxide has made global CO2 levels worse.

I'm no eco-warrior, nor am I a betting man, but for me the argument makes sense.

I can foresee a time, perhaps not in my lifetime, but maybe our children's lifetime, motoring as we know it disappearing and perhaps become, as it was in it's early years, an indulgence for the very rich, perhaps aviation too.

Posted on 20/04/2019 16:33

yes I think you could be right if energy sources remain as at present.

Freddy55 replied on 20/04/2019 17:19

Posted on 20/04/2019 15:52 by Cornersteady

It happened before ? 

Yes, the programme showed changes since the beginning of industrialisation well over 100 years ago.

you're talking too narrow a timescale, heating and cooling cycle have been happening for many thousands of years, it could be argued that 100 years is not really a long enough time frame to ascertain anything?

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat.

The Earth’s climate does go through natural cycles of warming and cooling

During the rise of mammals, Earth's temperatures spiked in a scary way that the planet may experience again soon.

So yes it has happened before, if we knew what stopped it then we could use that now? what is wrong with that?

Posted on 20/04/2019 17:19

“So yes it has happened before, if we knew what stopped it then we could use that now? what is wrong with that?”

As I understand it, plant growth exploded, something we wouldn’t allow.

cyberyacht replied on 20/04/2019 18:47

Posted on 20/04/2019 13:26 by Cornersteady
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Posted on 20/04/2019 18:47

I try to tread lightly on this planet,CS.For fifty odd years the boat was moved by wind, so negligible carbon if we ignore construction impact and I didn't change every few years like some car and caravan owners.

Short of becoming a semi-vegetarian hunter gatherer, we are bound to have some impact but I feel that personally I should, as far as possible, be frugal with the planet's resources.

 

Cornersteady replied on 20/04/2019 20:18

Posted on 20/04/2019 18:47 by cyberyacht

I try to tread lightly on this planet,CS.For fifty odd years the boat was moved by wind, so negligible carbon if we ignore construction impact and I didn't change every few years like some car and caravan owners.

Short of becoming a semi-vegetarian hunter gatherer, we are bound to have some impact but I feel that personally I should, as far as possible, be frugal with the planet's resources.

 

Posted on 20/04/2019 20:18

I should, as far as possible, be frugal with the planet's resources.

the boat was indeed moved by wind, btw did you use it to visit your apartment in Spain or fly? 

I think the highlighted words says its all? where is that limit? You set it at using a MH. Is that enough for the planet or, (and with all due respect and a serious question), your 'green' conscience?

Cornersteady replied on 20/04/2019 20:31

Posted on 20/04/2019 20:18 by Cornersteady

I should, as far as possible, be frugal with the planet's resources.

the boat was indeed moved by wind, btw did you use it to visit your apartment in Spain or fly? 

I think the highlighted words says its all? where is that limit? You set it at using a MH. Is that enough for the planet or, (and with all due respect and a serious question), your 'green' conscience?

Posted on 20/04/2019 20:31

sorry just adding you gave an honest answer CY, and that 'limit' applies to us all not just you.

mickysf replied on 21/04/2019 09:08

Posted on 21/04/2019 09:08

Despite the protestation, despite the claims that the world has been here before, despite the fact that we really have destroyed huge Eco systems and polluted the world though our actions those efforts to redress the imbalance caused by human activity continue at pace now. These arguments of previous cycles live in the past, a past that was in denial, a past that took and gave little. I'm all for governments both national, and global taking the lead with the emission controls, development of recycling systems and those industrial innovations like we see in the motor industry. Commerce and industry, taxes and laws are all being influenced by this issue and these changes will not stop in there progress towards a better outcome.

Could I do more, possibly but who knows if those efforts we witness and are soon to witness aren't enough the action will be out of the hands of us individuals completely. Best to try to solve the man made influences now 'as best and as reasonably' as we can. This answer will not be enough for some but I'll take my current lead from those scientists and governments who are acknowledging the issues. 

As mentioned before, transport and the motor industry is changing at a pace but so are all aspects of our lives. Like it or not these changes will continue and even our much loved caravanning pastime is changing. Now I know why pods, yurts, airstreams and wigwams and electric vehicle charging points are all springing up in traditional touring areas. 

Change, its happening despite the protestations.

 

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