Mole Traps

K9S4EVA replied on 28/09/2021 08:58

Posted on 28/09/2021 08:58

I was disgusted to find out that Caravan Club Policy is to trap and kill moles.

I saw a man setting mole traps along the external and internal perimeter hedge at the entrance to Old Hartley Club Site on Sunday 19 September 2021.

I enquired if he was setting mole traps and he said yes. I asked if that was ethical and humane. He said it was better than seeing mole hills. I said 'is it really?'. He said it was Caravan Club Policy.

As Members surely we have the right to decide whether we'd be happy seeing mole hills, or whether we'd prefer to trap and kill moles, sometimes not immediately killing them and leaving them to suffer.

I wonder why the Wardens can't just remove the erupted earth if it's deemed unsightly?

On top of this, what if a dog dug them up and got injured.  Many terriers and hounds would be very interested in digging where something like a trap has been buried.

Moles are not the enemy, they aerate soil and eat pests...see link below:

https://www.rspca.org.uk/documents/1494935/9042554/Living+with+-+moles+-+formatted+%28V1.2%29+-+2017.pdf/61a0a5f6-b28e-c46e-042d-5b8fecf54207?t=1553171460360&download=true

I would like to see Members being given the opportunity to vote on such cruel practices and whether they feel their Club should continue with them.

In my opinion, if people think natural occurrences like mole hills are unsightly they should question why they want to go caravanning - isn't it getting out into nature, not being in pristine, bowling green like sites?

I'd be interested to hear other people's views on the subject.

replied on 28/09/2021 10:47

Posted on 28/09/2021 10:47

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K9S4EVA replied on 28/09/2021 11:09

Posted on 28/09/2021 11:09

The thing is, there were only visible mole hills on the grassed area outside the site, which I think may not be CAMC land, as the bin there is emptied by the local council.  Please see attached photo...not great, but it may help you see what I mean.

I'm sure there are many more tripping hazards on Club sites than mole hills, rabbit holes etc,  and like natural disasters, I'm fairly sure no insurance company would ever pay out if someone hurt themselves falling over a mole hill.  

Some of the speed hump warning paint is so badly faded on the sites you can't see them.  I actually helped a poor lady that fell over one last year - flat on her face!  Also, all steps and kerbs aren't marked, and it would be ludicrous to expect them to be wouldn't it!  So, if the CAMC want to go down the tripping hazard excuse, they have a lot more issues to address first...ones which insurance companies would be more likely to listen to.

 

JVB66 replied on 28/09/2021 11:50

Posted on 28/09/2021 11:09 by K9S4EVA

The thing is, there were only visible mole hills on the grassed area outside the site, which I think may not be CAMC land, as the bin there is emptied by the local council.  Please see attached photo...not great, but it may help you see what I mean.

I'm sure there are many more tripping hazards on Club sites than mole hills, rabbit holes etc,  and like natural disasters, I'm fairly sure no insurance company would ever pay out if someone hurt themselves falling over a mole hill.  

Some of the speed hump warning paint is so badly faded on the sites you can't see them.  I actually helped a poor lady that fell over one last year - flat on her face!  Also, all steps and kerbs aren't marked, and it would be ludicrous to expect them to be wouldn't it!  So, if the CAMC want to go down the tripping hazard excuse, they have a lot more issues to address first...ones which insurance companies would be more likely to listen to.

 

Posted on 28/09/2021 11:50

Going down the route of speed humps, my OH now needs a mobility scooter for any thing more than short distances ,and have found that her boot scooter grounds on most club speed humps ,and when speeking to othe users of the same type of scooter they have had the same problem ,but none had thought about speaking to site staff or contacting the club ,not that i have had any sort of reply apart the auto reply 

 

K9S4EVA replied on 28/09/2021 12:06

Posted on 28/09/2021 12:06

Yes, I can imagine accessibility is an issue and needs to be addressed too.  Hope you hear something soon!

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 28/09/2021 12:34

Posted on 28/09/2021 09:43 by Amesford

Yes  we once rescued a young rabbit from one, the trap was of course taken home and binned

Posted on 28/09/2021 12:34

You & me both A👍🏻. It really is a disgusting practice☹️

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 28/09/2021 12:37

Posted on 28/09/2021 10:20 by DEBSC

I agree with you no need to kill wildlife in this way. You can see how it has happened, worried they may face a claim If someone trips, etc over a mole hill on site they have decided to remove them quickly. The wardens probably haven’t been consulted if they are prepared to flatten instead. However, having seen how quickly and how many mole hills can be made in a night this would be a busy and extra task for them.Having been told there is a problem someone at the top has taken the decision to remove the moles in this, the ‘easiest, old fashioned, most barbaric way’. Probably also the quickest and cheapest way. I’m no expert but are there not other kind effective ways of doing this.

Posted on 28/09/2021 12:37

Push the soil back in with the foot a pinch of grass seed on it-jobs a gud un Debs👍🏻

DavidKlyne replied on 28/09/2021 13:07

Posted on 28/09/2021 13:07

I have used a lot of Club sites and I can't say I have ever seen traps being set for moles so it can't be that common. Seen a few mole heaps. One of the reasons you should contact the Club direct is the establish the facts of the situation. There could be a perfectly sound reasons for the need to eliminate moles from the area where the traps were being set. This could be to do with personal safety of members and staff or possible damage to site infrastructure. I understand Old Hartley does suffer from subsidence so perhaps this plays a part in the decision? Its all very well being sentimental about these little creatures but if they are creating real damage they need dealing with.

David

Tinwheeler replied on 28/09/2021 13:19

Posted on 28/09/2021 09:53 by K9S4EVA

Thanks for your responses everyone - it's great to find that other people feel the same as me.

JVB66 please can you clarify where you want me to send a complaint - I'm not sure where you mean by Site Dept at EGH.  I'll complain to anybody, anywhere, and hope others will too!

Posted on 28/09/2021 13:19

East Grinstead House. The contact us option at the foot of the page gives you several options for emailing.👍🏻

replied on 28/09/2021 13:20

Posted on 28/09/2021 10:27 by brue

No, except gassing and poison which is equally horrible. Moles in excess can leave trenches and tunnels which collapse underfoot. We've got them at home, we live with them but it's not an easy problem to resolve when the general public are involved.

Posted on 28/09/2021 13:20

I have had the occasional mole but it depends on the number and activity in an area as to whether I would consider trapping. If the damage were greater I might well have done. 

The back lawn is full of trip hazards where the local corvids have been caching food

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