A Conversation at the NEC

GoneRoving replied on 23/02/2023 19:07

Posted on 23/02/2023 19:07

I’ve just returned from the Caravan, Camping & Motorhome Show Athena NEC. While there, I visited the CAMC site and asked if there was an Executive Committee member available for me to meet. I was introduced to such a person and I explained I had some concerns which led me to be dissatisfied with the Club

Although in the course of the conversation I was able to raise several moans I have about the CAMC, it was the first issue that we discussed that I found most interesting. This is the cost of staying on CAMC sites which, I feel, is very high. I learnt that the cost of electricity and, more especially, the considerable amount been used by members is a real issue at the present time. If I understood correctly, last year there was a significant loss running sites due to this. Apparently folk are consuming a lot of electricity during their stay. An example that was referred to is the heating of awnings. I suggested that if the cost of pitch fees was high, then people staying on sites were going to feel incentivised to use a lot of electricity. Maybe, I also suggested, if the expense of staying was reduced and a reminder or campaign to drive electricity use down was put in place a 'sweet spot could be achieved. (“Sweet spot” seemed to become my word of the day!) I did suggest that aim of a ‘club ethos’ over such a matter is possible, although I felt that my interlocutor felt I was rather naive. I’m left thinking that site fees include an element a premium to deal with the loss I’ve mentioned earlier.

My other issues are those others have raised: the disincentive provided by the new booking system and the new payment of a deposit. 

In the course of the conversation I was told I was the first person to have raised any issues about the Club since the show had opened which was three days ago. I also learnt that this particular committee member believes that there are about forty regular critics of the Club who use Club Together. With over 3500,000 members the voice of so few doesn’t carry much weight. That was my impression.

I am grateful for the discussion I had and I hope I have not misrepresented what as said.

 

brue replied on 23/02/2023 19:29

Posted on 23/02/2023 19:29

Are you aware the club are hoping to trial EHU metering on site?

As for forty regular critics on CT which of us has got a black mark against our names I wonder? wink Are all the CAMC FB contributors not important too? 

 

brue replied on 23/02/2023 19:35

Posted on 23/02/2023 19:35

PS this has distracted me, I was just about to make a club booking which I think probably carries the most weight of all, now I'm not sure whether to do it. frown

SteveL replied on 24/02/2023 10:14

Posted on 24/02/2023 10:14

The club mentions in the March magazine where / when the trials will be held. However, you can’t book a metered pitch at WC  currently for the proposed dates, and will have to wait until nearer the time to find out how the trial will operate.


Metering
Many members have asked when the Club will introduce on-pitch electric metering. We have spent the past 12 months researching the market to find a metering solution and we are exploring two options that we will trial this year.

The first trial will be carried out at Wyatt’s Covert Club Campsite in Buckinghamshire from late spring. The second site is Ashridge Farm in Hertfordshire – the trial is expected to take place during the latter part of 2023. These trials will help us understand how easy the metering solutions are for members to use and importantly how much this helps reduce the use of electricity. More information will be provided ahead of the trial.

eurortraveller replied on 24/02/2023 11:13

Posted on 24/02/2023 11:13

GoneRovin. You can try metered electricity now and see if you like it - there are independent sites and CLs already with that facility. Alternatively there are similar sites where electricity is an optional extra at £5 or £6 a night . You yourself can do your own trials of these systems now and let us know whether they suited you. The options are already out there for you. 

Hja replied on 24/02/2023 13:16

Posted on 24/02/2023 10:14 by SteveL

The club mentions in the March magazine where / when the trials will be held. However, you can’t book a metered pitch at WC  currently for the proposed dates, and will have to wait until nearer the time to find out how the trial will operate.


Metering
Many members have asked when the Club will introduce on-pitch electric metering. We have spent the past 12 months researching the market to find a metering solution and we are exploring two options that we will trial this year.

The first trial will be carried out at Wyatt’s Covert Club Campsite in Buckinghamshire from late spring. The second site is Ashridge Farm in Hertfordshire – the trial is expected to take place during the latter part of 2023. These trials will help us understand how easy the metering solutions are for members to use and importantly how much this helps reduce the use of electricity. More information will be provided ahead of the trial.

Posted on 24/02/2023 13:16

I’m pleased to see the trials, but it is unclear how long each will last. I would have thought that it was vital to include early spring autumn and winter in their trials (I have no idea without looking it up whether the sites are open all year) because that surely is when the high electricity usage is.

Rufs replied on 24/02/2023 15:30

Posted on 24/02/2023 15:30

"Apparently folk are consuming a lot of electricity during their stay. An example that was referred to is the heating of awnings."

when ever electricity consumption is mentioned the folk heating awnings almost always get dragged into the equation, i have a blow heater that we use in the awning and a similar model to boost the heat in the conservatory at home.

This fan heater at home uses approx 4-5 pence of electricity per hour, we normally only heat the awning for a couple of hours in the evening whilst we eat, i should say we do not have a TV so never sit in the caravan watching television,  have no idea how much electricity a TV uses per hour but some folk seem to have them on from dawn to dusk.

not against metering, most sites in Spain have metering but many provide  5-7kw per day free, not a lot if you should need the heating, but dont most caravans/MH's have gas fires ?

"I also learnt that this particular committee member believes that there are about forty regular critics of the Club who use Club Together. With over 3500,000 members the voice of so few doesn’t carry much weight. That was my impression."

why am i not surprised !!! for much of the time i dont think CT is monitored by CAMC staff

Rufs replied on 24/02/2023 15:37

Posted on 24/02/2023 13:16 by Hja

I’m pleased to see the trials, but it is unclear how long each will last. I would have thought that it was vital to include early spring autumn and winter in their trials (I have no idea without looking it up whether the sites are open all year) because that surely is when the high electricity usage is.

Posted on 24/02/2023 15:37

Dont be fooled, the club will almost certainly have spent a good deal of monies investigating various systems, this is a trial that eventually be rolled out across the system, certainly on the more popular sites, best hope that whatever they put out there is fit for purpose, e.g, on the larger sites in Spain you can call at reception and ask for a print out of just how much electricity you have used, very useful if you are going to be on site for a long period, and of course if a limited free usage is avaliable you can see immediately if you are exceeding this llimit.

 

Hja replied on 24/02/2023 16:29

Posted on 24/02/2023 16:29

Fan heaters generally cost more than pence to run. A 500w heater will use .5 of a kw an hour so 17p at domestic rate but more at commercial rates.

peedee replied on 24/02/2023 16:43

Posted on 24/02/2023 16:43

Whatever the system, I would prefer no allowance, that suits those of us who can manage without or minimum EHU e.g.to just maintain a fully charged battery.

peedee

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