Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act, 1960

BirchHillFarmCL replied on 08/09/2019 19:06

Posted on 08/09/2019 19:06

Although the CAMC may have 'gold plated' some aspects of the 1960 Act, the 5-van part of it is a key aspect that cannot be changed without reviewing the whole Act.

That simply isn't going to happen - it is too big a piece of legislation, with too many interested parties, including Club-owned sites, CLs, ralliers, and more significantly, the trade organisations of static caravan sites, such as the British Holiday & Home Parks Association.

Clubs such as the CAMC and C&CC have too much to lose if a review of the Act goes in the wrong direction.

The other factor if trying to change the Act is that the government has different priorities at present, so anyone trying to change the 1960 Act would just be wasting their time.

The 5-van limit was a concession to landowners to avoid the need for small sites to go through the full process of Planning Permission.  Landowners (and Club members) should see this as a benefit, rather than an imposition.

If CL Owners want more than 5 vans on their land, they then need to go via the Planning Permission process and be licenced by their local council. This is costly and the site owner would also be responsible for their own advertising. The CAMC website and Sites Directory are easier and cheaper ways for landowners to promote small caravan sites.

'No Tents' is a CAMC rule, rather than the law, but if CL owners want to stay with the CAMC, they need to play by Club rules.

  • The C&CC and Freedom Camping Club allow tents under the 1960 Act, but those are much smaller organisations, with fewer members as potential guests. The CAMC is the 'brand leader'.
  • The C&CC charges landowners £165 + VAT every 2 years to operate CSs (equivalent to CLs). It does not allow CS Owners to advertise their CSs outside the main C&CC website and C&CC Sites Handbook, i.e. no personal websites, and no FaceBook pages to promote the CS.  (The CAMC simply asks that new CL Owners pay the same membership fee as other Club members.)

If CL Owners break the law, by over-booking, allowing tents or having non-recreational guests (e.g. workers or residents), they are putting the interests of Club members and the businesses of other CL Owners at risk in 2 ways:

  • The CAMC could lose its status of being allowed to issue operating Certificates to CLs.
  • If a neighbouring CL is struggling with lack of bookings, a CL Owner that overbooks is potentially damaging their neighbour’s income stream.

By recommending neighbouring CLs, it helps a CL Owner’s local economy; the neighbour might return the favour; and our experience is that the people we turned-away will probably pop-in to see what they've missed, and often book us for their next holiday.

Ian Kelly
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Holiday@BirchHill.co.uk
Birch Hill, The Cross, Ellesmere, Shropshire, SY12 0LP
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CLMaddie replied on 10/09/2019 13:44

Posted on 10/09/2019 12:43 by Navigateur

Can I ask if "CL Sites should only ever have a maximum of 5 vans on site at all times" means five OCCUPIED caravans, or five physical caravans.

Posted on 10/09/2019 13:44

Hi Navigateur, 

The CL's are for touring purposes only, the vans cannot be left unoccupied over night, be used for work or exceed the 28 night rule. 

If you believe a van has been there for longer or is not being used for touring purposes please email clresponse@camc.com and we will look into it.

Thanks

Maddie

JVB66 replied on 10/09/2019 17:10

Posted on 10/09/2019 13:44 by CLMaddie

Hi Navigateur, 

The CL's are for touring purposes only, the vans cannot be left unoccupied over night, be used for work or exceed the 28 night rule. 

If you believe a van has been there for longer or is not being used for touring purposes please email clresponse@camc.com and we will look into it.

Thanks

Maddie

Posted on 10/09/2019 17:10

Interesting, as vans can be left unoccupied overnight on club sites 

replied on 10/09/2019 17:20

Posted on 10/09/2019 17:10 by JVB66

Interesting, as vans can be left unoccupied overnight on club sites 

Posted on 10/09/2019 17:20

It's all in the T&Cs

Oneputt replied on 10/09/2019 17:29

Posted on 10/09/2019 13:44 by CLMaddie

Hi Navigateur, 

The CL's are for touring purposes only, the vans cannot be left unoccupied over night, be used for work or exceed the 28 night rule. 

If you believe a van has been there for longer or is not being used for touring purposes please email clresponse@camc.com and we will look into it.

Thanks

Maddie

Posted on 10/09/2019 17:29

Can’t believe in either a medical or non medical emergency the club would take a harsh, dictatorial view

JVB66 replied on 10/09/2019 18:04

Posted on 10/09/2019 17:29 by Oneputt

Can’t believe in either a medical or non medical emergency the club would take a harsh, dictatorial view

Posted on 10/09/2019 18:04

Especially as there is one site i know of in the club network that the 21day stay can also  be extended in certain circumstances, so it is very draconian if not allowed on CLs in emergencies

wildemere replied on 11/09/2019 11:48

Posted on 11/09/2019 11:48

As a CL owner who has fallen fowl of the regulations, and had my hands slapped , When I take a booking I ask for a name, membership number and a contact phone number. Should I ask for the purpose of the visit?I never have, I also have visitors who visit relatives who are not in the best of health,is their stay recreational ?

papgeno replied on 11/09/2019 13:02

Posted on 09/09/2019 11:14 by peedee

TW, whether or not a certificated location/site is limited to members only is down to an agreement between the site owner and the organisation issuing the certificate. C&MC have stated in a previous thread they do not allow none members and presumably this is agreed with all CL owners. The limitation is not part of the 1960 act and it is down to each oraganisation to decide if they wish to limit sites to members only.

peedee

Posted on 11/09/2019 13:02

I'm sorry but you're wrong. It is the Act itself that sets out that only members of the main caravanning organisations can use CLs and CSs, 

Incidentally way back when this piece of legislation was enacted it replaced a section in one of the Public Health Acts. So although it may now be used as a planning process its genesis was as a piece of public health legislation .

papgeno replied on 11/09/2019 13:17

Posted on 11/09/2019 13:17

The Caravan Sites (Control of Development) Act 1960 was one of the pieces of legislation which was enforced by the Department in which I worked back in the day.

peedee replied on 11/09/2019 13:38

Posted on 11/09/2019 13:38

Papgeno, Are you sure you are not getting confused between Camping and Caravan Touring Exemptions. You are indeed correct for Camping exemptions under the 1936 Public Health Act but this does not apply to para 4 and 5 of the 1960 act applicable to touring caravans but it does appliy to para 6 (rallys). This is as per the guide about  exemption certificates issued by Natural England dated 2013. Has there been an update?

peedee

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