Nunnykirk club site

JohnG replied on 05/09/2019 19:24

Posted on 05/09/2019 19:24

We have had a seasonal pitch at Nunnykirk for several years now and love it. 

We've just received our September magazine with the application form for 2020 seasonal. When I looked at it with the intention of applying for next year I found Nunnykirk missing. I assumed it was possibly a printing error and phoned the club. 

I was told they'd already had several calls on this topic but he could only tell me that the regional manager had decided not to allow seasonal pitches on site for next year. 

To me this is a very strange decision. Nunnykirk has 75 pitches and about 30 of these are seasonal. If you remove the seasonal pitches then quite a lot of the time you will be lucky to have a dozen units on site. 

The club is losing roughly £31,000 by removing the seasonal pitches. It doesn't make economic sense to me and I wonder if the club is ultimately looking to close Nunnykirk  

cyberyacht replied on 12/09/2019 15:38

Posted on 12/09/2019 15:38

Is occupancy declining? That's not what Ro said. She said cost were rising but occupancy was not, so it may just be static. As has already been observed, cranking up the price up by 20% sure won't help. Is this indicative of Grimstead Towers strategy of expanding  a homogenous product to the detriment of places such as Nunnykirk with a "you'll have what we give you and pay handsomely for the privilege" attitude?

EmilysDad replied on 12/09/2019 16:41

Posted on 12/09/2019 15:36 by DavidKlyne

There is not much evidence to support the idea of keeping it open I would suggest. Falling occupancy, hand to hand lease arrangements, no facilities and in the middle of nowhere! It would seem this sort of site has a pretty limited appeal to the majority of Club members? What we don't know is whether the owners have something else in mind for the land the site is on or whether they might like to operate it themselves perhaps by converting to static/lodge complex which seems popular these days? It could just be that the land owner does not want to tie themselves to a new long term arrangement. The Club know how much it costs to upgrade a site and what the likely pay back would be. Even some fairly modest improvements like a few hardstanding and maybe a small number of serviced pitches might make the site appealing to a greater number of members but without a longer lease even that is pointless. My concern is that sites like Nunnykirk are only the tip of the iceberg and there could be many more sites where the same lease conditions apply which prevents essential work being carried out because of the likelihood that the Club won't have the opportunity to recover the investment.

David

Posted on 12/09/2019 16:41

I don't want hard standings which is why I'd choose sites like Nunnykirk & I would suggest that goes for other users of Nunnykirk too. There are plenty of other club sites with wall to wall gravel without bu66ering up Nunnykirk & the like.

Cornersteady replied on 12/09/2019 16:46

Posted on 12/09/2019 16:41 by EmilysDad

I don't want hard standings which is why I'd choose sites like Nunnykirk & I would suggest that goes for other users of Nunnykirk too. There are plenty of other club sites with wall to wall gravel without bu66ering up Nunnykirk & the like.

Posted on 12/09/2019 16:46

I can't think of one club site that I've been to that has wall to wall gravel. The roads are usually tarmac and there are grass strips between pitches.

I think wall to wall grass is far worsesmile

peedee replied on 12/09/2019 16:48

Posted on 12/09/2019 14:58 by EmilysDad

 But ..... still much cheaper than the £30 I recently paid for one night on a club site.

Posted on 12/09/2019 16:48

Agree, fine for peak season but off peak? Bourton on the Water price structure varies by season. Not looked at Threeways but think that is similar. Wouldn't a season variation in price be a better? 

peedee

peedee replied on 12/09/2019 16:58

Posted on 12/09/2019 16:58

Last time I was at Nunnykirk was, I think, in 2005. Looking at the site pictures, it has received quite a bit of investment since. Certainly looks a lot tidier and I don't recall the tarmac driveways.

While I can appreciate the Club not wanting to put in permanent structures when sites are on short term leases, I would have thought some things could be done and recovered, perhaps in part, for use elsewhere?

peedee

Tinwheeler replied on 12/09/2019 17:05

Posted on 12/09/2019 16:48 by peedee

Agree, fine for peak season but off peak? Bourton on the Water price structure varies by season. Not looked at Threeways but think that is similar. Wouldn't a season variation in price be a better? 

peedee

Posted on 12/09/2019 17:05

Marazion and Stover prices vary by season while Cadeside remains constant 🤷🏻‍♂️

EmilysDad replied on 12/09/2019 17:06

Posted on 12/09/2019 16:46 by Cornersteady

I can't think of one club site that I've been to that has wall to wall gravel. The roads are usually tarmac and there are grass strips between pitches.

I think wall to wall grass is far worsesmile

Posted on 12/09/2019 17:06

Though not site wide I can think of 3 club sites that have areas where there's not even a blade of grass between gravel pitches let alone a grass finger.

Best you avoid Nunnykirk if you don't like grass .... 

JVB66 replied on 12/09/2019 17:19

Posted on 12/09/2019 17:19

Notgrove site (Bourton on the water now) actually is owned by the club and at times is very popular  and has its season extended in the last couple of years, the additional hardstands were put in in about 2001, as it was dificult to use the area of the old railway cutting and storage due to it being very wet and muddy when opening , as for upgrading with a toilet block there is no mains drainage and not possible to installation  or any chance of increasing the water supply which comes via the farm and is also shared with the two houses in the lane (old station aproach road which is also cc property over which the house owners only have access to their properties,  the costs would far outweigh any chance of recovering 

And members tend to use cc non facility sites as they appreciate cc staff being arround most of the time,

 

replied on 12/09/2019 17:23

Posted on 12/09/2019 13:41 by peedee

If the full fat sites are making more money and /or getting better occupancy than non facility sites which way should the club go?

Depends on how many members it is prepared to lose!

peedee

Posted on 12/09/2019 17:23

I doubt that closing this site would loose many members. I suspect that most, who like myself happily use none facility sites also use facility sites 

brue replied on 12/09/2019 17:29

Posted on 12/09/2019 17:29

It doesn't say in Rowena's response that occupancy is declining, it says costs are rising but it sounds like occupancy is static and the site has been operating on a yearly rolling lease. Similar to the precarious Baltic Wharf which has high occupancy and hard standings. There are a lot of diffculties involved with short term leases on a high or low earning basis, this is the main challenge for the club. Unstable leases are not the best situation for any leaseholder.

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